Thread: New Loot System for Raids from 4.3 on

The new loot system that's going to be implemented for raids in 4.3 is completely insane. The tanks themselves are going to be the most impacted due to the fact that the need option wont be there and will be rolling Greed along with the rest of the party. even though the loot lockout will perhaps alleviate the issue but this idea of getting rid of the need option is really dumb.

Thankfully it's not set in stone and may just impact the next alliance raid, but it's like someone saw that lootmaster of any kind parties are unpopular and thought a whole instance should be made with it in mind.

From the Famitsu translation of the live letter...

New Alliance Raid Dungeon

> The next alliance raid dungeon will be called The Ridorana Lighthouse.
> Matsuno is working on the scenario development.
> There will be a related side quest available for gatherers and crafters separate from the Ridorana Lighthouse.
> Alliance Raid dungeon loot rule will be set to "All Greed"
> The reason for changing to "All Greed" is that currently because of the relative difficulty, you can only get equipment for your main job even if the item level of that equipment would better serve a lower level alternate job. So equipment you want may drop but you cannot lot it because you're on your main job and you'll have to repeat it many times.
> By changing the distribution rule, it should make it easier to use your main job to acquire equipment for your alternate jobs. However, if they receive a lot of opposing feedback, they will rethink the introduction of this rule, so please give your feedback.
> For those who may be worried this will result in less tanks, since there's only one tank in each party, it's more likely that there will be an excessive amount of tanks immediately following patch release.
> There was a boss designed by Amemiya which will appear.

So this change is only going to apply to the 24 man raid and theyre open to changing their minds if it gets bad feedback. When you factor in the weekly lockout, my guess is that people will only be rolling on items they actually plan to use(especially since none of it will be usable for seals or whatever for a patch or two). Also remember this is an odd patch(alliance raids are always on the "catch up" patch), so the ilevel of the gear wont be going up at all. The raid will drop 360s with alternate secondary stats and a new look. Plus, if you really need something you have the option to ask the group to pass on it for you - just like you can in any other content. Unless theres more to this then im seeing it just seems like a non-issue.

Well, current responses are already pretty negative and the patch isn't even out for another month.

Originally Posted by Xenos88

The tanks themselves are going to be the most impacted due to the fact that the need option wont be there and will be rolling Greed along with the rest of the party. even though the loot lockout will perhaps alleviate the issue but this idea of getting rid of the need option is really dumb.

I main tank, and it will help me when I tank.

1 - Because I main tank, I don't need any gear from the 24-man raid for my tank. My tank purchases highest-tome gear which can (eventually) be upgraded beyond 24-man-raid-level-gear anyway.
2 - I am now free to roll (and have a better chance at getting) gear for my 2 alts - Monk and Scholar.
3 - I usually go DPS in 24-man raids just so I have a chance at getting gear for my Monk.
4 - I can now tank the raid anyway, and have an equal chance at getting gear for my alt classes.

So, I wouldn't worry about how this will "affect tanks."
You do have a point that a super-casual-tank-main or someone looking for gear for their alt-tank will have a harder time (rolling against none to now rolling against 7 others).
And I agree.
I just think this the original scenario had it's ups-and-downs, and this new scenario has it's ups-and-downs. I'm willing to see how it goes and see if it's better overall instead of just worse for one very specific situation.

I still have my own general reservations about the system:

1 - Tanks are generally not-in-demand for 24-man raids. It's almost always DPS (and sometimes healers) that have the fastest q for the 24-man raids. Tanks usually have the slowest q for these instances. Therefore, I'll likely still run as Monk anyway. But we'll see.
2 - When rolling on a piece of gear, there are ALWAYS 7 other potential-rollers now. Instead of maybe 1 or 2 to beat. That just seems, well, more difficult to get what you're looking for. Regardless of class/role choice. With lockout, though, this will make people choose when to roll and when not to. So, really, maybe it won't be too bad?

At this point, I'm willing to give it a shot and see what it feels like.

Originally Posted by Cold_Raven

So, I wouldn't worry about how this will "affect tanks."

i am main tank too. i don't really play any other classes, so i don't need that greed option at all. i like to mix the 24 man raid gear with the tomestone gear, depending on the stats. and of course new glamour gear for my tank is also always nice.

this change will affect me 100% negatively and there is nothing positive about it.

the only positive thing is that there is relic armor now... but considering how long it took them to implement the relics, this change of the 24 man raid loot will hurt again in 5.1, when the relic armor isn't an option...

i main a tank >.> and normally run those raids as such to need on the gear i typically need (ive been slacking on tome gear)

Now I have to greed? It should be all greed when they lift the cap on weekly loot. Not when it first comes out imo.

I do not like this change, and will affect how I run this raid. So yes, in a way it will affect tanks, and the other classes as well. I don't like rerunning it multiple times due to rng not dropping the gear needed, now ill not only have to fight rng, but everyone else greeding.... T.T

Greed only is pretty much what happens when an alliance raid is no longer relevant for gear with everyone rolling on everything wither for glamour or grand company seals.

If they really are set on going this terrible path, they should incorporate a page system like with savage raids unless anyone really feels like queueing up several times a day/week to get their loot.

Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

Greed only is pretty much what happens when an alliance raid is no longer relevant for gear with everyone rolling on everything wither for glamour or grand company seals.

If they really are set on going this terrible path, they should incorporate a page system like with savage raids unless anyone really feels like queueing up several times a day/week to get their loot.

Um, this already happens. I can potentially run the alliance raid 5 times a day for a week and not actually see any caster pieces drop. Then when they finally do i might be in a group with 4 other BLMs SMNs and RDMs who want the same piece. The difference is that tanks used to get special treatment(being the only one ever in the group) and this change would mean that they no longer do. But seriously, how often will any of you be in a group with 7 other people who have a tank leveled and want their one piece of gear for the week to be for it rather then any other class? Could it happen? Sure. Still doesnt seem terribly likely to me.

Big difference between now and the next patch is most people aren't going to be slogging through an alliance raid multiple times a day/week to gear up. It's gonna be for glamour, hoarding gear for grand company seal exchange or much more likely in the case of Rabanastre, getting the coin drop.

And between queue times and how awful runs can be especially with this upcoming one as everyone is going in blind for the first week or so and probably even longer for some, how many people are going to want to do it again and again for a single gear piece rather than just rolling on the first thing they see just to get their weekly clear and loot?