STR/PIE/ATK Testing

[carraway]

Thanks for the detailed retesting, Seiken. Looking forward to dLVL results. On DRG, I've noticed I need ~440-450 ACC to stay above 98% hitrate on Myrmidon Princess.

[Silvano]

Would double or triple melded Hart Guisarmes not surpass the Harpoon now, especially with the more stress placed on stats? Also, a Tort Scale Mail with the materia(s) as opposed to the cobalt? I would test myself but I'm poor ;;

Edit: Also, what Parser are you using? I am trying to test the assorted weps and jewelry I have, but sometimes the Parser I use (BG's) doesn't capture all the data...

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Would double or triple melded Hart Guisarmes not surpass the Harpoon now, especially with the more stress placed on stats? Also, a Tort Scale Mail with the materia(s) as opposed to the cobalt? I would test myself but I'm poor ;;

Edit: Also, what Parser are you using? I am trying to test the assorted weps and jewelry I have, but sometimes the Parser I use (BG's) doesn't capture all the data...

It never could surpass ifrit's harpoon because of how big a difference the base dmg is.

[Silvano]

It never could surpass ifrit's harpoon because of how big a difference the base dmg is.

Does anyone have parse data for this? This just means I need Ifrit's Harpoon more than ever to test it meself :3

[Peptaru]

Does anyone have parse data for this? This just means I need Ifrit's Harpoon more than ever to test it meself :3

You could do a poor man's version of it, get a polearm that has dmg = to what you're missing from the hart to the ifrits, the numbers will be askew, but it will give you a good view of the difference DMG rating has. (hart and vintage guisarme have 16 point difference, hart and ifrits have 16 point difference) It won't be perfect but it can serve as an illustration i would think.

[Silvano]

You could do a poor man's version of it, get a polearm that has dmg = to what you're missing from the hart to the ifrits, the numbers will be askew, but it will give you a good view of the difference DMG rating has. (hart and vintage guisarme have 16 point difference, hart and ifrits have 16 point difference) It won't be perfect but it can serve as an illustration i would think.

But then I would have to double meld the lower lance and get a NQ version of the Hart to reflect the difference, wouldn't I? lol I probably won't try another double meld for awhillllle.

Speaking of poor man's version though; why wouldn't you just take the AFs 10STR and 7PIE over the Double Melded Felt's 12STR?

Edit: If I'm bugging anyone with the questions, especially you Sekien, please let me know. I enjoy debating and discussing various ways of doing/testing things, as well as numbers ^^;

[Seiken]

Good suggestion Silvano. I honestly hadn't considered the AF armor, and I hadn't put too much thought into the poor man's gear set. I focused more of my attention on the more expensive version.

Also, if you guys really want to test the difference in weapon Base Damage, I would suggest using a naked Archer and firing different kinds of Arrows. That should be a cheap way to get the data. I've been meaning to do that myself for a long time now >.>

Another tidbit of data that me and my LS mate kaeko have been trying to analyze is that the "cap" for all the classes is not a fixed value. It has various factors that influence the caps. For example, If you parse on an Ifrit's Axe versus a Mog Axe you will find that the stats cap 3-5 points lower. If you wear a really low base damage weapon (I tested on a weapon with 59 base damage) you will find you have already capped your stats without wearing any gear. The frustrating part of the testing is that different Jobs/Classes have different Base Damage values for Ifrit Weapons, yet they all cap pretty much at the same values. Also, the base damage difference (as far I can tell) seems to be non-linear in stat cap influence. Most of this testing was pre-1.21 so once the game quiets down again I'll go back and revisit the data.

Just know that part of the reason why low base damage weapons do much less damage is because stats are capped earlier.

[Peptaru]

I just know from playing with a double melded demilune vs. ifrits that the dmg isn't even close, ifrit's blows it away. Its a 30 point difference instead of 16, which makes the difference much much more noticable. I had a great lance til i got ifrits, it took me two seconds to decide which was way better.

[Aion]

Does power surge adds damage on WS? on the stats,we should optimize str first then pie right? what about the lack of accuracy?

[Peptaru]

You can make up for accuracy with electrum rings +1, but figure out how many you need for the stuff you are fightin so you don't waste a slot with overloaded accuracy