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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Greetings!

    And apologies for getting to this issue so late! I will not bore you with the usual “OMG IT’S SO BUSY HERE I BARELY HAVE TIME TO EAT MY TACOS”
    I think what everyone wants to know is, what kind of tacos were you eating? I'm super curious and hungry.
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    Thank you for the follow up (I knew there would be more...there's always more, especially when a bug is so interconnected with so many quests). This will probably be my last reply for a while (as it is now the week before Fan Fest), but I wanted to address the follow up questions before my life goes on lockdown once more!

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    It's entirely up to you, but I think that would still throw my estimate out by a few years if there isn't anything to establish it is an embellishment.
    After writing the first reply last Friday, I actually went in and tweaked a few more lines, this “thirty summer” passage being one of them. While I do want to create the sense of Janne being a somewhat spoiled braggart by tossing out a flippant remark about how long he’s had his eyes to the stars, you are most likely correct that stating an actual number (especially so early) is bound to create some confusion. I changed the line to “Myself, I have been a student of the astromantic arts for more summers than I can count,” so that we could break out the “Why Not Both?” meme.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Quimperain seems to vary between being referred to as old or young
    Quimperain is supposed to be old...but old as a soldier...not as a wizened coot. He does have several years on Janne, however. As for Leveva, Quimperain has taken a liking to the young astrologian, but more as a daughter rather than a lover. Janne (a notorious playboy, himself) is merely ribbing Quimperain by (continuously) suggesting that his growing fondness with Leveva is anything more than a fatherly love. Calling him an “old man” is also another form of jest, as Janne positively enjoys getting under Quimperain’s skin (though, Janne’s respect for Quimperain’s service and loyalty does grow through Janne’s arc).

    I might also mention something about the lack of Elezen models falling squarely twixt Orlando Bloom and Louisoix. But I won’t.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    there's a line "I am sorry, Father..." that I assume is for Jannequinard if he gets KOed.
    You are correct...however, as I was about to change it, I stopped to think about Janne’s relationship with his actual father. As far as I know, there is no animosity there...so I would want to believe that faced with the approaching lights of the Great Beyond, even Janne would think of his father and how he disappointed him...rather than his uncle who didn’t really care that much about him until his own son flew the coop. So yeah, I’ll probably keep this one, if only to allow a glimpse a one of Janne’s (well-hidden) redeeming factors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    And some typos (of the 'not spell-checkable' kind)
    Done and done. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    and I do have to ask about Janne's comment in 'Loved By the Sun'
    Not really. This was another line meant to bring light to Janne’s playboy lifestyle. It does, however, add to the age confusion, so I’ve tweaked it a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Mordyn's comment about "Carvallain's bride"?
    Whoa! This is a mistranslation from way back during the 2.0 crunch (ah, the memories...). Thank you kindly for bringing it to my attention. The town NPC lines were one of the last things to be completed right before our data freeze, and while passed through QA for EN errors, there was not enough time to crosscheck for translation errors (as quests and whatnot were given higher priority with time running out).

    (As is reflected in the other languages), the JP merely states that Carvallain is the Elezen out on the balcony who runs the business...while also serving as captain of the Kraken’s Arms.

    So where did the “bride” part come from? As I did not do the original translation, I can only guess, but it appears that the JP uses the term 旦那 (danna) to refer to Carvallain. This word usually means “husband,” but can also simply mean “man” or “leader,” depending on the situation. My best guess is that an over-quick glance at the source text coupled with a sleep-deprived brain and a longing desire to go home resulted in...well, what’s there now. I’ll fix this with for 4.5, as well.

    Thank you!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    And a terminology query - is it supposed to be "Count de [Surname]" or simply "Count [Surname]"? Or are both forms acceptable?
    Technically, it is supposed to be

    the Count Forename de Surname
    Or
    the Count de Surname

    Count Forename is also accepted, but usually not in ultra-formal situations.

    Count Surname would be technically incorrect, but if it was someone who wasn’t from Ishgard saying it, this could be chalked up to them not fully understanding the rules.

    I will do a sweep and see if there are any to be found in the script and update them for 4.5. As for anything in a post by me here on the forums...you’ll have to forgive me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie View Post
    I think what everyone wants to know is, what kind of tacos were you eating?
    Japan does many things well. Sushi, ramen, flying rainbow cats, pineapples, apples, and/or pens. But there is one thing that I cannot forgive...and that is this country’s bordering-on-blasphemous mishandling of tacos. The “more ketchup than salsa” salsa. The “shredded processed dairy product” cheese. The “looks like lettuce, so it’s the same thing, right? RIGHT?” cabbage. The “we didn’t have any seasoned ground beef so how ‘bout this Canadian bacon?” cured pork product. The “couldn’t find any sour cream, what else is white and creamy?” mayonnaise topping.

    Alright, alright. That may have been an extreme example. There are actually a few decent places over here to satisfy my craving for tacos...though most of the time I just make my own. A big tub of Costco-bought taco seasoning brought back from my last trip home has seen me through some super dark times.

    Gah! Why am I waxing poetic about tacos!? Back to Fan Fest prep! BYE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Gah! Why am I waxing poetic about tacos!?
    Why not? Tacos are awesome.

    Also, you're awesome. Just saying.
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    Thanks again for the replies! I hope your Fan Fest preparation is going smoothly.

    I found one more line (that might be fine to leave as-is) - I remembered that some of the goldsmith leves reference Jannequinard (requesting various types of star globes), and Charting the Trends mentions it's being paid for with his "poor father's coin". Which probably still works, but depends whether you want it to refer to Janne's father or the count.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    ...so that we could break out the “Why Not Both?” meme.
    I think you just have tacos on your mind.

    But yeah, the "more summers than I can count" line works. (Plus for a second-time player is a wide-open target for "yes, because you haven't yet worked out how to count without doing it on your fingers"...)

    That reminds me of another question about phrasing though - using X 'summers' or 'winters' rather than years. Any particular logic to which season is used, or just whichever works poetically in the situation?



    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Quimperain is supposed to be old...but old as a soldier...not as a wizened coot. He does have several years on Janne, however. As for Leveva, Quimperain has taken a liking to the young astrologian, but more as a daughter rather than a lover. Janne (a notorious playboy, himself) is merely ribbing Quimperain by (continuously) suggesting that his growing fondness with Leveva is anything more than a fatherly love. Calling him an “old man” is also another form of jest, as Janne positively enjoys getting under Quimperain’s skin (though, Janne’s respect for Quimperain’s service and loyalty does grow through Janne’s arc).
    That's what I figured. Veteran knight but still young enough to qualify for the "Orlando Bloom not Louisoix" character model.

    And for the most part I took his defence of Leveva as more of a chivalrous thing, but the remark about holding her hand was a bit harder to interpret that way.

    I'm not sure that we ever see Janne directly ribbing him about Leveva though - at least the lines I'd found seem to be him talking to us directly, while Quimperain isn't present to object. (And referring to him as a "lad" - again while he's not present - seemed a little odd in any case, but even more so if Janne is actually younger than him.)



    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    You are correct...however, as I was about to change it, I stopped to think about Janne’s relationship with his actual father. As far as I know, there is no animosity there...so I would want to believe that faced with the approaching lights of the Great Beyond, even Janne would think of his father and how he disappointed him...rather than his uncle who didn’t really care that much about him until his own son flew the coop. So yeah, I’ll probably keep this one, if only to allow a glimpse a one of Janne’s (well-hidden) redeeming factors.
    That makes sense, and yes it seems better that way.



    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Whoa! This is a mistranslation from way back during the 2.0 crunch (ah, the memories...)
    Aha, I thought it seemed strange! But of course it's one of those things you need to actually know the character in order to recognise it as strange, so it's harder to catch the error just by getting someone to proofread the text.

    Plus at the point that players are reading it, they've probably just arrived in Limsa for the first time themselves and don't know the character either. (Though I do remember being puzzled that there wasn't an Elezen woman with Carvallain out on the balcony!)

    I think I only picked up on it when I started an alt character and decided I'd talk to all of the people in town again.



    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Count Surname would be technically incorrect, but if it was someone who wasn’t from Ishgard saying it, this could be chalked up to them not fully understanding the rules.

    I will do a sweep and see if there are any to be found in the script and update them for 4.5. As for anything in a post by me here on the forums...you’ll have to forgive me!
    Thanks for the explanation! I can't think where I've seen the incorrect form used, just that it's come up somewhere (not necessarily the AST quests) and it was enough to make me uncertain which was the correct form when I've been writing about lore stuff. Now I'll know for future use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    [Guillestet's line] will be tweaked as well, to make him almost as old as his father (FFXIV NPCs are surprisingly younger than you (and often I) think).
    Coming back to this, because thinking it over... aside of stretching the limits of "almost" to say 32 is almost as old as (I-can't-work-it-to-be-less-than-)40ish*, it just seems odd for it to be pointed out as something remarkable in the first place.

    None of the other young nobles are mentioned to be married or betrothed. We get no mention of romance from any characters besides Emmanellain's doomed attempts to flirt with Laniaitte.

    And (unless it's a cultural thing) 32 doesn't seem remarkably old to be still unmarried and flirting with 'young maidens' - though depending just how young, I suppose.


    * From the Elezen characters for we know the ages of both father and eldest child, the age gaps are 29 (Fortemps) (also Handeloup and his daughter), 26 (Haillenarte), 25 (Durendaire), 24 (Leveilleur). And will be similar gaps for any future children of the young-adult characters.

    Of course there are going to be outliers, and in wrangling the statement to fit you could suppose that Guillestet is an early-maturing 18-year-old and his father was unusually young, but it's still a stretch to make his father's age anything below 40 - and that's when I know what it "needs to be" rather than making an educated guess based on the other information.



    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    ★ Jannequinard is not second/third son of House Durendaire, but second/third in line of succession (he is actually the son of the current count’s sibling = nephew)
    "Sibling" seems an oddly vague way of phrasing it - and it seems to me that it would have an impact on his standing in the family whether it's his mother or father that's the count's sibling. (Given that only sons seem to be 'counted', eg. Francel being "fourth son" but actually fifth child.)

    By that logic I'd guess EITHER he'd have to be son of the count's brother to be placed fairly high in the order of succession, OR the count only has sisters and that's why it's only Janne and his cousin(s), with no uncles or his father getting higher priority. Or maybe that's because his older male relatives have died fighting the war against the dragons.

    Anyway, it seems like it should make a difference - would he get dismissed as a less important family member if his claim to the countship is "only" from his mother?
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