Unkillable healers

[kyomaZZ]

I just want to ask a simple question from the developers, to those who responsible for PvP balance.

I play a lot of Pvp (frontline roulette usually) because i just getting bored the same duty Roulette EX,60/70 and the rest of ,[thetankpulleverything0mechanicsrequired], same dungeons over and over again thing every day.
But im not come here to rage or flame,pick a fight etc...

SO i get to the point: whats this balance with the Healers? today me (MCH) and a BRD teammate caught up an enemy WHM, and we try to kill her for 5min...and we cant.. i used the correct best rotation for MCH, and the WHM just stand there (not even try to run away), regen and cure2 herself and we cant kill her for more than 5 min until she run out of MP.

Seriously the healers should be the most vulnerable role in pvp and the rest of the team should work together to protect them
this is ridiculous

[silverlunarfox]

I had a match in frontline roulette in shatter, it was 8v8v8, and maelstrom after getting stomped, switched to have 5 healers....yeah....attempting to go after them was a waste of time. So we had to get creative. We won, but it was just a bit ridiculous....

Healers do need to be looked at.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

MCH and BRD burst (while one is notably quicker and easier than the other) would be more than enough to delete any healer, but you'd basically have to do it together. That instant wombo combo of damage would easily wipe out any healer. (Though I admit when I find one of those healers that want to try and tank through things, I VERY much enjoy forcing them to run dry).

Despite all the heat I'd take for saying it, making healer casts shorter AND setting healing potencies well above DPS damage potencies puts DPS at a natural loss, damage vs healing wise, which only emphasizes the need for effective cc and strong burst damage, something not as doable in 4.x PvP as it was in 3.x.

EDIT: Hit my post limit for the day, so I have to respond here, and this is directly to Crit:

First, I haven't been at all coy or subtle about why I dislike 4.x PvP. You can read just about any thread here. Second, you don't know me well enough to make a comment like you did. However, if you'd like to find out firsthand what I know and what I can do, I'm more than happy to accept all challenges.

[Crit]

MCH and BRD burst (while one is notably quicker and easier than the other) would be more than enough to delete any healer, but you'd basically have to do it together. That instant wombo combo of damage would easily wipe out any healer. (Though I admit when I find one of those healers that want to try and tank through things, I VERY much enjoy forcing them to run dry).

Despite all the heat I'd take for saying it, making healer casts shorter AND setting healing potencies well above DPS damage potencies puts DPS at a natural loss, damage vs healing wise, which only emphasizes the need for effective cc and strong burst damage, something not as doable in 4.x PvP as it was in 3.x.

Jesus now I know why you hate 4.x PvP, you don't know how to play it!!!!

Any melee + range/melee bursting together at the same time will kill something. End of discussion, this thread is unnecessary

[Zojha]

MCH and BRD burst (while one is notably quicker and easier than the other) would be more than enough to delete any healer, but you'd basically have to do it together.

Well, you have 2 seconds of Barrel overload stun to deal 14000 damage, after that the OGCD heals come in (which can't be silenced).

Barrage/Pitch Perfect is 2k. Empyreal Arrow 1k. Sidewinder 1,5k. Dots 750. Straight Shot 1k. Total Damage you can do in that time: 6250.
MCH... roundabout math: Overload 1k, BTE 3k, Heated Clean Shot 1,75k. Let's say two GCDs due to pre-load and put it at 7000. With Troubadour and Overheat buffs and absolutely perfect coordination and setup and the healer not using a shield/defense buff or concentration beforehand, nor using Purify to get out earlier, that could work, provided the healer doesn't have a tank helping him that is capable of just as much coordination.

I wouldn't say it's "more than enough", though. You just barely make it.

As for the topic, in general, well... they don't even attempt to balance healers and pretty much admitted to it in a roundabout way. They instead purposely (over)tune them to make them more popular, likely in another attempt to salvage their "premium" mode Feast, which has been plagued with a lack of healers since the dawn of time.

It's unlikely to change anytime soon, so far most of their decisions (Astragalos aside) actually seem to go into the opposite direction, so I'd say: Don't like it? Don't play it. The devs have no intention to balance power, they want a balanced population.

[Crit]

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Yeah hyperbole aside from my statement too, two dps can't kill anything 100% of the time, the damage or support (soul survivor/cc) from the tank is also necessary to guarantee kills

But 2 dps could just farm a ranged over and over

[Mirch]

a bard and a mch not being able to take down a healer, you lack coordination, experience and knowledge. keep practice up

[Sylvain]

I think the main issue is the mana cost who are too low especially for the bigger heals.
I don't think it is too much of a problem that a healer can overheal 2 dps by using his stronger moves., but that should be temporary and not a sustainable strategy. 5min doesn't sound very temporary to me.

I think making healer run oom should be much easier, they're just too sustainable it's annoying.

[Risvertasashi]

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Yeah hyperbole aside from my statement too, two dps can't kill anything 100% of the time, the damage or support (soul survivor/cc) from the tank is also necessary to guarantee kills

The real problem with the OP is BRD + MCH. They're fully mobile, so their DPS is lower. Try using a BLM or something.

[Sunako]

It is probably easier understand healer, if you play one yourself and play feast. After gold rank you may notice it is not that easy keep everybody alive anymore.