Bard Songs

[Repulse97]

Does anyone else feel like the crit buff from songs and battle voice itself should affect the user as well? I mean, if Monks' Brotherhood can now affect the user, why can't Bards' songs? The crit and direct crit buffs are based on chance, so it isn't a direct dps increase. Anyone else have other ideas?

[Repulse97]

And by direct crit, I mean direct hit lol. So used to writing direct crit when I get excited by one.

[Remyogic]

It's a balancing issue. Bard is already a given in nearly every raid party, basically the only time a bard isn't in a party is when one can't be found and they are tired of waiting. Doing ANYTHING to buff our DPS would make us OP in the current state of the end game. Whereas for monk, they have been falling behind Dragoon and Ninja because Monk DPS isn't quite enough for people to see them as a better or equivalent take over Dragoon/Ninja. This is SE trying to narrow that gap a bit more.

[wereotter]

There's a difference in the buff given and how the job benefits. Brotherhood gives 5% physical damage up and a 30% chance for the monk to open up a chakra when a weapon skill is executed by any party member under its effect. The 5% self application was given to monks because often, especially in 4-man dungeons, there was no one except the tank to benefit from the skill, whereas added critical hit from bard songs benefits everyone in range regardless of if they're doing physical or magical damage. Additionally, Brotherhood is only up for 15 seconds and has a 90 second cooldown.

Compare that to bard's songs. A bard should have one of their three songs up 100% of the time because of how the cool downs on the three songs line up, and Bards get their repertoire procs off critical DOT ticks. The proc from critical hits is similar for bards and for monks (except monks only have a 50% chance for a chakra on a critical weapon skill whereas bards have a 100% proc rate on a critical DOT tick) So, if a bard was able to boost their own critical hit rate, it would potentially break the job as not only are you applying the additional DPS as part of your normal weapon skills, but all your DOTs would benefit from the buff meaning more repertoire procs and even higher DPS. As such the two skills aren't exactly comparable.

[Repulse97]

Well, you see, the critical hit rate increase is only a 2%. Say I have about 1900 crit, that will become 1938 crit. I don't consider that a significant increase in critical hit rate, much less dps since crit doesn't directly affect dps. It's a stat based on chance.

[Azerhan]

Well, you see, the critical hit rate increase is only a 2%. Say I have about 1900 crit, that will become 1938 crit. I don't consider that a significant increase in critical hit rate, much less dps since crit doesn't directly affect dps. It's a stat based on chance.

And during the last patch, you'll have ~2500 crit (ez), maybe 3000, so...
Even now, every 6 months, BRD is becoming more powerful, because more you have Crit, stronger you are, and with the new stuff (a lot of SS), MCH seems to be outclassed by the BRD.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

And during the last patch, you'll have ~2500 crit (ez), maybe 3000, so...
Even now, every 6 months, BRD is becoming more powerful, because more you have Crit, stronger you are, and with the new stuff (a lot of SS), MCH seems to be outclassed by the BRD.

A compelling argument for either making Skill Speed actually useful for a MCH, or splitting the Aiming gear and giving us, say, "x [Gear] of Sniping" or something like that. Most of the gear this tier is pretty disappointing if you're a MCH.

[Repulse97]

And during the last patch, you'll have ~2500 crit (ez), maybe 3000, so...
Even now, every 6 months, BRD is becoming more powerful, because more you have Crit, stronger you are, and with the new stuff (a lot of SS), MCH seems to be outclassed by the BRD.

Well, even at 3000 crit, the 2% increase would make it 3060 crit

[wereotter]

Well, even at 3000 crit, the 2% increase would make it 3060 crit

Critical Hit scales exponentially, so adding 60 crit once you're at 3000 is no small increase. Additionally this all comes back to the fact that the buff doesn't just impact the damage you do in a vacuum, but also increases the number of procs you get from your DOTs (which is already pretty over powered when compared to monk) but then also how much damage those procs can potentially do. Changing your songs to impact your own critical hit rate would by design probably require a nerf to the job elsewhere either in potencies, or making it so that you don't have a 100% proc rate on critical dot ticks.

[Repulse97]

Critical Hit scales exponentially, so adding 60 crit once you're at 3000 is no small increase. Additionally this all comes back to the fact that the buff doesn't just impact the damage you do in a vacuum, but also increases the number of procs you get from your DOTs (which is already pretty over powered when compared to monk) but then also how much damage those procs can potentially do. Changing your songs to impact your own critical hit rate would by design probably require a nerf to the job elsewhere either in potencies, or making it so that you don't have a 100% proc rate on critical dot ticks.

You are correct. That brings up another issue, though. Even an exponential increase has that point where it is seemingly 100%. Does that predict a nerf to our job? D: Does increasing crit increase damage when critting or does it just affect the chance for your abilities to crit?