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    Been gone a bit: is MCH still crippled by latency?

    I observed back when playing XIV some months ago that MCH was literally crippled by latency because it meant you couldn't get the maximum number of attacks off during an overheat if you simply lived too far away from the servers. Others confirmed this as well.

    Is this still the case or have they actually fixed that?
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    Lynn Nuvestrahl
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    Still the same. But apparently there's nothing wrong with MCH, so working as intended? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Tani Shirai
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    Yes. Just like nearly all other DPS.
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    Sylvestre Solscribe
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    Honestly they could easily fix it.
    They would increase the duration by 1 or 2 second and if that duration increase makes it too close from being able to weave a last gcd (creating a new standard) they could simply cap the number of gcd the debuff can take before detonating.
    If I'm right under perfect ping and play, it's 6 gcd. They could increase the duration to 12sec and make it detonate in the 6th gcd.
    You still have plenty of time to weave al' the ogcd.

    What do pro machinist think? I just play the job casually so might have missed something
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    Zuzu Belloq
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    It's slightly more crippled by latency now.
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    Lyss Yrdmom
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    It's definitely latency-dependent, but there are high-ping friendly alternative openers and rotations you can use that aren't -too- much worse than the most optimal but demanding ones. All the guides I've read have had them listed so they shouldn't be hard to find.
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    Ugh, so which DPS class ISN'T latency crippled? RDM? BRD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardButte View Post
    Ugh, so which DPS class ISN'T latency crippled? RDM? BRD?
    BLM and DRG are probably the least crippled by it. Every job is affected somehow though.
    On the other side of the coin RDM MCH NIN and BRD are highly affected by it. Unless you're playing over 150ms you shouldn't stress much about it (except for MCH :v).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardButte View Post
    Ugh, so which DPS class ISN'T latency crippled? RDM? BRD?
    RDM can't even dualcast consistently at over 180 ms. Bard also double-weaves constantly, and in ways in which the procs to be spent in that weave will often go to waste unless spent within that precise gap.

    DRG at least has some 4 GCDs of double-weaves on the opener and a few scattered throughout between bursts, but at least these come at known timings and some of them can be delayed slightly if necessary. Warrior double-weaves infrequently but is painfully dependent upon even that single GCD gap instance thereof. Monk at any noticeable skill speed won't really allow you to double-weave, period, except during Riddle of Fire, so that's probably one of your best bets, alongside BLM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    RDM can't even dualcast consistently at over 180 ms.
    Not entirely true. I play at 200ms and I can dualcast properly. The issue is that RDM relies on double weaves for a lot of things and the 1.5s GCD clip on themselves sometimes (same on MCH for Rapidfire).
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