FF14 Advanced Crafting Guide (Part 4 Stormblood) by Caimie Tsukino

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Thanks a lot Camie for your time put into this project.

You're welcome! ^_^

[InnerBeastMode]

I had to come back and tell you how much I appreciate this guide. This helps to refine my piecemeal, amateur knowledge as a crafter to something far more elegant and efficient. Thank you for your work and for sharing it so graciously. /bow

[Wintersandman]

So I have been playing with the simulator to see if there are other tools that we aren't considering as part of the rotation but what sucks is the simulator calculates things incorrectly like WWYW and doesn't proc Good/Excellent. It may be a lost cause but I just feel weird that there are specialist tools just sitting there going unused that may be incredibly beneficial like Satisfaction, Trained Hand and Nymeia's Wheel. I get the RNG aspect of WWYW and and just wanted to see if there is any tips. Another thought I had was to do MaMa and start off with the first CZ rotation and then wait to do precise touch/patient touch when a good/excellent procs and weave in Brow's when applicable. So I understand that RNG is harder to predict but wanted to hear your thoughts on it.

The reason for the weaves is with all the Flawless Synth possibilities on high level crafts that there is more opportunity to weave on the good/excellent to push quality or regain CP.

This may be a wasted effort with the nice 2 macro synths that are already created but as someone who is just getting into 70 crafting I don't want to meld too much in to the i290 gear when I want to replace it with Ala Mhigan. This is how I want to meld the 290 gear and honest opinions on if it is possible to do Ala Mhigan with the following gear/stats.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/14LGR

I also appreciate the guide and everyone's feedback.

PS. I don't know how to insert images of what I came up with.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

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I had to come back and tell you how much I appreciate this guide. This helps to refine my piecemeal, amateur knowledge as a crafter to something far more elegant and efficient. Thank you for your work and for sharing it so graciously. /bow

You're very welcome!

So I have been playing with the simulator to see if there are other tools that we aren't considering as part of the rotation but what sucks is the simulator calculates things incorrectly like WWYW and doesn't proc Good/Excellent. It may be a lost cause but I just feel weird that there are specialist tools just sitting there going unused that may be incredibly beneficial like Satisfaction, Trained Hand and Nymeia's Wheel. I get the RNG aspect of WWYW and and just wanted to see if there is any tips. Another thought I had was to do MaMa and start off with the first CZ rotation and then wait to do precise touch/patient touch when a good/excellent procs and weave in Brow's when applicable. So I understand that RNG is harder to predict but wanted to hear your thoughts on it.

The reason for the weaves is with all the Flawless Synth possibilities on high level crafts that there is more opportunity to weave on the good/excellent to push quality or regain CP.

This may be a wasted effort with the nice 2 macro synths that are already created but as someone who is just getting into 70 crafting I don't want to meld too much in to the i290 gear when I want to replace it with Ala Mhigan. This is how I want to meld the 290 gear and honest opinions on if it is possible to do Ala Mhigan with the following gear/stats.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/14LGR

I also appreciate the guide and everyone's feedback.

PS. I don't know how to insert images of what I came up with.

Well, I have never used WWYW in the simulator, so I didn't know what it would do with it... As for proc-ing of Good/Excellent, it could complicate the calculation of, for example, a comparison between the overall efficiency of two rotations. If the simulator does allow procs, it should probably include a button to have the option of including or excluding procs. Another thing to consider is, the proc rate for different items / different crafter level could be different. So to implement the codes, one would first need to find out the statistical data about it, which could be a pain.

As for your gear set, I have never tried doing Ala Mhigan gear with such minimal stats, so I don't know. Perhaps it'll be fine with the power of WWYW, which I didn't use.

As for your melds, I'm not so sure about your Tier VI melds on your i290 gear. Since Tier VI are so much more expensive than Tier V and IV (on my server, Zalera), it seems cheaper to avoid the VIs, and go for some slight overmelds of Vs and IVs... especially when Vs can be acquired from Red Scrips exchange, and so I have stocked up quite a lot of them. In addition, VIs have a really low chance of materia retrieval, so you can't really transfer what you melded onto the i320 gear. I would do VIs on the chest, but that's about it. For instance, for the tools, I would just do 2 melds of lower tier CP materia. But anyway, if you have a good supply of VIs, I guess it's all fine.

[Wintersandman]

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Thank you Caimie! I have almost 0 materia and I agree I would be better off overmelding if the return rate on VI's is bad. I was just trying to avoid overmelding. Basically the simulator just takes away a whistle stack each action. Also my stats aren't even there yet as I am just hitting level 70 and my goal is just to not try and spend too much on materia yet. I was able to craft my own Ironworks set in 3.0 without having max melds but it took a lot of effort and the BSM tools were my first to obtain since it seems like BSM creates more tools than any other class.

Again I appreciate the feedback and I figure my best bet will be to HQ as much as possible.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Thank you Caimie! I have almost 0 materia and I agree I would be better off overmelding if the return rate on VI's is bad. I was just trying to avoid overmelding. Basically the simulator just takes away a whistle stack each action. Also my stats aren't even there yet as I am just hitting level 70 and my goal is just to not try and spend too much on materia yet. I was able to craft my own Ironworks set in 3.0 without having max melds but it took a lot of effort and the BSM tools were my first to obtain since it seems like BSM creates more tools than any other class.

Again I appreciate the feedback and I figure my best bet will be to HQ as much as possible.

Ah, I see what you're planning now. Personally, I would recommend in-slot melding mostly V's for craft and control, and overmeld some IVs for more craft/control and especially for CP (to max out CP). The prices on my server are approx the following:
Tier VI: 500,000 to 700,000
Tier IV: 6,000 to 9,000
That's almost 100 times difference in price. That's why I suggest overmelding IV. It's very affordable. Even buying with Red Scrips is cheap for IVs. For CP, you can easily meld 2x IVs (or even lower tiers) instead of using a VI. And you could easily save yourself 450K+.

VI's have only a retrieval rate of 40%. V's are 80% and IV's are 100%. So you can probably retrieve back most of the V's that you put in slots. But like I said, I do like the idea of using a VI on the chest though. The chest has a lot of stats can be melded into despite the fact that it's not necessary.

[Wintersandman]

Personally, I would recommend in-slot melding mostly V's for craft and control, and overmeld some IVs for more craft/control and especially for CP (to max out CP).

So do something like this?

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/14M1N

[Caimie_Tsukino]

So do something like this?

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/14M1N

That's kind of overkilling with the overmelds. First, i290 gear will be almost immediately replaced by i320, so there's no point to put in that much effort in pentamelding. Second, our accessories may be replaced soon in 4.2. So pentamelding is not something I would recommend for acc as well, until we know for sure what will be given to us in 4.2.

Overmelding on an i290 gear once or twice is acceptable. Beyond that is likely going to be a waste of effort. It's not that expensive, but it's still time.

[XenabelleS]

I've been reaching 70 in my DOHs by spamming the level 62 /64 leves. As such, I have crafting nothing over level 65.

I am wearing mostly level 65/66 HQ left side and tools with the augmented red script accessories melded with IVs and close to max CP. So I am hitting 70 with the following stats :

Craft 1064, Control 930, CP 403 (these are on a specialist class)

In your guide, you say this :

The following macros require very minimal stats from level 70 crafters. When I developed these macros, I had 1265 craftsmanship and 1126 control.

Obviously I am quite a ways from this so I am hoping that the level 70 gear will make up that stat difference, but my question is do you think I will be able to craft the level 70 290 i level gear with my current stats or am I going to need to wade into the messiness that is +65 crafting recipes as an intermediary step? Or can I just buy the level 70 NQ set somewhere?

[Wintersandman]

Obviously I am quite a ways from this so I am hoping that the level 70 gear will make up that stat difference, but my question is do you think I will be able to craft the level 70 290 i level gear with my current stats or am I going to need to wade into the messiness that is +65 crafting recipes as an intermediary step? Or can I just buy the level 70 NQ set somewhere?

I HQ'd my own set of BSM tools with Ironworks Gear Unmelded and even more antiquated accessories ilvl 150 or lower. You can craft the gear yourself but you will most likely need to HQ as many mats as possible to reduce the risk of failure. I used a MaMa rotation and in all honesty I don't do macros as my preferred method. So you will be able to craft the gear yes but it will be more challenging.