Melee,PRNG AoE, Positionings, and Killing Blows

[Goldbeard]

It feels punishing to play a melee class. Why does melee have to worry about positioning to maximize damage under a boss/mob? That's a little unfair. Remove that. TP used for AoE is extremely expensive for no reason with little recovery. Invigorate/Goad isn't an excuse. Instead of 120/140, 80/100 is less punishing. Damage reduction to the more targets you hit is getting out of hand. Why punish a job for doing what their abilites were meant to do? Instead of removing abilities we should've upgraded them such as with Thunder II->Thunder IV e.g. DRG's Doom Spike->Ring of Thorns, Quick Notch->Volley, Flaming Arrow didn't need to be removed. Finally there is the matter of the Killing Blow techniques i.e Misery's End/Assassinate/Ageha. These abilities are weak. For these cooldowns these abilities should get a sense of "Booyah". These are my solutions. Hopefully we have can come to an understanding of "Less punishment and let TP users have fun too"

[Thyrand]

Maybe you should just gitgud instead of complaining

[dday3six]

I can't help but feel OP lacks a great deal of foundational class/job knowledge. You cannot just hide behind 'my idea's would be fun', while lacking an understanding of why changes were made or why positionals exist in the first place.

[RichardButte]

The only issue I have with positional abilities is that sometimes the tank has turned the boss but you don't yet see this on your screen so a positionally-dependent ability doesn't land as a result.

[Kahnom]

Have a problem with positioning ?
- Go practice more.
Have a problem with TP ?
- Learn to manage your TP.

Its not even the problem actually.
Its fundamental ...

[KageTokage]

As far positionals go, I just wish that True North had a one minute cooldown so I'd never miss a Trick Attack due to latency + fidgety tanks and/or bosses ever again.

[dday3six]

As far positionals go, I just wish that True North had a one minute cooldown so I'd never miss a Trick Attack due to latency + fidgety tanks and/or bosses ever again.

While latency sucks, I can't get on board with an 'it's ok you're bad' button to get tanks off the hook. The tank is never going to learn to be better in that case. Randos from DF/PF can be bads and that's annoying. However it's better to try and get them to the level they need to at than to build in mechanics to overlook their mistakes.

Furthermore as a DPS you shouldn't be hammering your inputs without some degree of situational awareness. At times you need to pause briefly to hit the positional, particularly in the case of TA. I realize stops are a DPS loss, but missing TA's positional is a greater loss in comparison.

[HarassMe]

positional boosts make melee more interesting... would be incredibly boring if they werent there and the bonuses are too good to pass up. I want to say that with the DRG rotation, you leave 440pot on the table, with EACH rotation, if you dont hit your positionals. Thats a "free" Full Thrust each rotation... definitely not dps to scoff at.

[Syrus_Draco]

Ya can't have everything be spoon fed to ya, or else the game would get really boring. For a majority of the content you can get away with ignoring positionals, until you start doing Savage/Ex content. Would not advise to ignore positions though.

Like before, you need to practice your positionals and manage your TP as best you can. You have to work with the tools that you currently have in game right now, and know your limits. If you want to spam AOE till everything is dead, switch to a different job (BLM). It does feel bad when certain fights for you to be out of position and TN is on CD, but you either need to roll with it, or find out if you can squeeze a positional before you have to move somewhere else. Essentially honing your knowledge of the fight and how the boss will act. This requires you to have some foresight and to react accordingly.

What makes having such strong dps in a fight, is the fact that you worked hard for it.

[Bernkastelx]

Oh wow standing still and mashing buttons as melee sounds jolly fun. Game already has many hints and tips to make it easier.