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    Quote Originally Posted by TarynH View Post
    As if the other 20+ threads on the subject weren't enough? Someone needs attention.
    Kinda obvious when their sig says they're here to giggle.
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    how about we keep rdm where it is and buff other classes so we are all happy? O.o
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    I don't think nerfing RDM is going to fix BLM having a difficult time doing anything when they have to jog across the map every 2 seconds. That and well, knocking RDM down below all the melee classes because it has utility will just mean it's not going to get used in raids. People aren't exactly lining up to have Dragoons in their groups for their current mediocre dps and amazing utility. We don't need to be top dps, but we still need to be viable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ketsufuma View Post
    how about we keep rdm where it is and buff other classes so we are all happy? O.o
    Power creep. If SE only balance by buffing, the content ends up undertuned. And that's the worst possible outcome because undertuned content sucks for everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angienessyo View Post
    I don't think nerfing RDM is going to fix BLM having a difficult time doing anything when they have to jog across the map every 2 seconds.
    RDM will always remains viable, if not mandatory, due to how Embolden works, being a 6% rDPS increase. The massive dps they have currently guarantees them a raid slot. What BLM/SMN need to be is viable, necessitating nerfs to either Embolden or their personal deeps. Right now they offer utility that surpasses even BRD while doing several hundred more dps than them.
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    Love these arguments (sarcasm) because both sides have such strong emotions about their point of views to the point they will not listen to the other side because they will consider them "whinners" or "white-knights" or something similar. In the end it goes no where and everyone thinks their view on the matter is right and everyone else who doesn't believe as they do is wrong. Threads like these quickly devolve into slugfests of emotions that trolls enjoy and giggle about as each side tries to argue their points, but will not consider any counter points the other side offers. Both arguments will also lose all factual information and turn quickly to oppinions at best because in the end that is all anyone has.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    RDM will always remains viable, if not mandatory, due to how Embolden works, being a 6% rDPS increase. The massive dps they have currently guarantees them a raid slot. What BLM/SMN need to be is viable, necessitating nerfs to either Embolden or their personal deeps. Right now they offer utility that surpasses even BRD while doing several hundred more dps than them.
    I think you're confused. Embolden has 1/6 uptime, and gives 10% bonus to most of their damage, and 10% of only physical dps of those around them. And that's only for 4 seconds, it goes down to 8 then 6, 4, 2, 0. So the average is 6%, and even if that boosted everyone's dps (it doesn't), that'd be 6% x 16% uptime so .96% increase. It's less significant than trick attack. It's under 1% difference not counting that it doesn't boost healer dps or another caster's.

    If anything that's such a weird distinction for them to have that it should be made to affect all damage; being punished for having another caster is obtuse.
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    The rdm hate on these forums is way to strong. It has raise like summer and a damage buff so let's Nerf it makes zero sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    The rdm hate on these forums is way to strong. It has raise like summer and a damage buff so let's Nerf it makes zero sense
    There's a teeeeensy bit more to it than that.
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  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedalox View Post
    There's a teeeeensy bit more to it than that.
    not really it does good damage to and it can heal so what most of the time I use vercure on myself, it can do multiple raises at the expense of losing major damage, all they need to do is buff blm and call it a day stop nerfing stuff it ruins the game when they do all these changes to classes
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