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    Why I'll be quitting WHM; the once simple healer

    I know there are alot of these threads, but this isn't about numbers, or 'viable' vs. 'meta', this is about the true identity of WHM and how the changes in 4.0 (as we currently know it) activity work against that identity.

    To me, more than the ‘pure healer’, WHM has always been the ‘simple healer’, with straight forward abilities and simple buffs. It is this identity of being simple, powerful, and fun to play, that first attracted me to WHM in 2.X, and kept me attracted to WHM in 3.X. 4.0 destroys this identity...

    With the Lilies mechanic, not only are certain WHM abilities now tied to RNG, but certain abilities are now also mutually exclusive; if you use one, you lose bonuses to others, if not getting locked out entirely, and are reliant on RNG to get them back. This is the antithesis of simple, and simply not fun.

    The Confession mechanic is arguably worse, as far from giving you a nice bonus, it is not only RNG based, but also a gate on even being able to make proper use of certain abilities. Again, this is the antithesis of simple, and simply not fun.

    And perhaps the worst part; neither of the other healers have any such limitations on their core kit:

    Like the WHM of 2.X and 3.X, (once in a stance) AST is free to deploy their full healing kit at any time, and nothing has changed in this regard for 4.0. Also, with the changes to Cleric Stance, it makes Gravity far easier to use than Holy, and frees up mental space to pay more attention to the RNG based card mechanics.

    SCH is slightly more complex, with a stack mechanic that does make some of their abilities mutually exclusive. However, as there is no RNG involved, and all these abilities have a predictable and relatively short cooldown, as long as the SCH plans ahead (which ties very well into their lore) this is far from a detriment, and indeed makes the SCH very versatile.

    Lastly, both AST and SCH received good, identity re-enforcing changes in 4.0, all while keeping (indeed, even expanded upon) their vastly superior utility. Meanwhile, WHM not only had its identity further stripped by putting a number of previously unique WHM abilities into the cross-role system, if not removed entirely, it gained absolutely nothing it needed in return (quite the opposite in fact).

    So, you can ignore this if you like, but those are my reasons (far more so than not being 'meta') for quitting WHM come 4.0, and nothing short of restoring WHM as the ‘simple healer’, and giving it the improvements it so desperately needs (i.e. useful group utility), is likely to be anywhere near enough to change my mind.


    PS. Unless crowd control is making a major comeback in 4.0, why the hell does WHM still have Repose?
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    Last edited by Acidblood; 06-03-2017 at 12:07 PM.

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    Just going to respond to your ps. I really hope they have made the mobs hit hard enough that we have to stop the ridiculous mega pulls and have to worry with heals firing off and tanks not getting low. It will also allow for the CC spells to come into play some. Otherwise I agree why keep them unless it is for ease of soloingfor some. I like the ability to throw dps and heal but most of the times unless you get a new tank or bad tank healing seems to be an afterthought.
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    If it helps any, should these changes go through, I'll likely be suspending my serious play of AST. I feel you when it comes to the ridiculous overhealing every healer can put out right now, and with the buffs it feels like healing's going to be so easy it won't be fun anymore.
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    Whm has never been interesting in this game, how fun is spamming medicas ? it's boring as hell, why pay a sub to be bored ? just give me the money instead.

    Glad you're quitting whm, pick a fun job this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    Whm has never been interesting in this game, how fun is spamming medicas ? it's boring as hell, why pay a sub to be bored ? just give me the money instead.

    Glad you're quitting whm, pick a fun job this time.
    Don't flat out insult peoples jobs. People should be able to have fun no matter the job.
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    WHM still has Repose because it's amazing in PvP.

    That being said, with PvE an PvP abilities now separated, I'm not quite sure.
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    WHM still has repose because you need to sleep the add in Brayflox second boss.

    I wish I was 100% certain that wasn't the thought process behind it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    Whm has never been interesting in this game, how fun is spamming medicas ? it's boring as hell, why pay a sub to be bored ? just give me the money instead.

    Glad you're quitting whm, pick a fun job this time.
    A bit off topic, but... Different strokes.

    No one if forcing you to play WHM (or PLD, or BLM, …), and personally I get far more satisfaction out of the dynamism of simple jobs, where all you have is a set of well-made tools and it’s up to you how to best deploy them in the current situation. Which is why I’m not really a fan of jobs like MCH, DRG or even WAR, which have a lot of predefined combos and ‘optimal rotations’, but I understand why some people are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrocco View Post
    If it helps any, should these changes go through, I'll likely be suspending my serious play of AST. I feel you when it comes to the ridiculous overhealing every healer can put out right now, and with the buffs it feels like healing's going to be so easy it won't be fun anymore.
    Yeah, I'm a bit worried about that as well, especially with the Cleric Stance change... I figure learning AST and / or SCH (and SAM, RDM, the new BRD, and a few other jobs) will keep be entertained for a while though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidblood View Post
    I know there are alot of these threads, but this isn't about numbers, or 'viable' vs. 'meta', this is about the true identity of WHM and how the changes in 4.0 (as we currently know it) activity work against that identity.

    To me, more than the ‘pure healer’, WHM has always been the ‘simple healer’, with straight forward abilities and simple buffs. It is this identity of being simple, powerful, and fun to play, that first attracted me to WHM in 2.X, and kept me attracted to WHM in 3.X. 4.0 destroys this identity......
    If major changes don't come to WHM, i shall be quiting the job too, but ill still try it before making this decision, SE really need to deal with this, there are barely enough healers in the game as it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    Whm has never been interesting in this game, how fun is spamming medicas ? it's boring as hell, why pay a sub to be bored ? just give me the money instead.

    Glad you're quitting whm, pick a fun job this time.
    You're probably one of those healers that stand there and hit cure 2 when a tank loses 1 hp though, your comment is invalid.
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    Last edited by EZ5902; 06-03-2017 at 07:10 PM.

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