Why are summoners so neglected?

[Ririta]

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/fina...lood-expansion

Yoshida:
One example of this was the Summoner. That was highly demanded, but once it was in, there were more and more requests. "You should be able to summon all the Summons and Eidolons!" That can push a person to think, "Oh, I shouldn't have included a Summoner in there." It is something that we need to be very mindful of, because something that could be implemented into an MMO may not necessarily be fun in a standalone Final Fantasy. The opposite is also true; an FF element that people have a strong attachment to may not translate well into the world of an MMO.

I mean, how hard is it to add some pets? WoW hunters has several. My elementalist in GW2 can summon more stuff than my FFXIV summoner. My warlock in WoW has more pets than my FFXIV summoner. Why is this allowed?

It wouldn't be acceptable for black mages to never get any more new spells, would it?

You neglect the job so much and then get surprised that people say that it shouldn't have been added at all. You know what? People would say the same thing about black mages if all they could use was Fire I, Blizzard I and Thunder I. No Flare, no Fire III, no anything else.

[MicahZerrshia]

SE is very unimaginative at times. They limit themselves in ways that are mindblowing to me sometimes. And then others they release content that would get a 3rd year student an F.

I really think they are just clueless when it comes to mmos. They are so behind the times and so self limiting. They cannot think outside their little box and seem to not know which way is up, except for ilvl that is, they cannot raise it fast enough. They dumb down the basics over a few vocal gimme gimmes and they just cannot for the life of them keep with a set course.

Idk what is going on at SE hq but they seriously need some fresh eyes to look at things.

[RLofOBFL]

I'm pretty sure this falls under "balancing" issues.

Also summons do not have 1 attack. They have 5 each. So your comparison to BLM doesn't work well.

I do think they could add OGCDs that just summon something to attack as your own attack though. Like "Zantestuken", potency of 300 etc etc.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I do think they could add OGCDs that just summon something to attack as your own attack though. Like "Zantestuken", potency of 300 etc etc.

I think they would be a great compromise. From a lore perspective, you could simply handwave it as Summoners borrowing a small portion of power to make the equivalent Hell Fire, Diamond Dust or something.

[Ririta]

Also summons do not have 1 attack. They have 5 each. So your comparison to BLM doesn't work well.

Only the level 20 and level 40 ones are unique, and of those, only the level 40 ones matters; so that's the only one that needs to be balanced (why the heck is Contagion still tied to Garuda instead of the summoner themselves?)

[Alerion]

In my opinion the job's focus should be the summons and there should be many of them.

My ideal vision of the Summoner is buffing and commanding the pet being the rotation with procs that allow you to call in an unsummoned pet for either a brief amount of time and/or a special ability. Of course there would be abilities to weave and utility to consider, but this is just the core i'd prefer over DoTs.

Barring the separation of SMN/SCH and a complete rework of the job, I don't ever see this happening. Anything's possible though.

[Kaethra]

I'm pretty sure this falls under "balancing" issues.

Its actually pretty easy.

Take Ifrit Egi and its skills and copy them. Then make a Shiva Egi with unique animations. Give it the skills stat-wise copied from Ifrit and replace fire aspected damage with ice.

Do the same thing with Garuda and Ramuh.
Then again with Titan and whomever we want with the tanking pet.

That's 3 new pets right there, no balance issue (I seriously doubt you can prove ice, lightning, ect aspected damage can push the balance). And all for the work of adding in a simple 3d model for the new pet and some particle effects. Yet you have a VERY happy Summoner playerbase.

Heck they could go further and add in ALL abilities to all pets depending on what 'stance' the pet is in. So you could have Garuda Tank, or Shiva ranged DPS. Then the summoner could simply use the pet they want to in the role they need at the time. Many MMOs have already done this.

The pet is a glorified dot. But its a visual effect the player likes to show. It should be treated as such. Simple changes that make many happy and do not upset balance at all.

[Magic-Mal]

Are you talking about the one-and-only job out of 13 in FFXIV that got exclusive, special treatment in the form of a totally new feature that allows the user to glamour pets anytime they want to anything they want and will continue to get special attention from the Devs to get more glamours like Sephirot and Ramuh overtime? : O

That job?? :0

[SendohJin]

Take Ifrit Egi and its skills and copy them. Then make a Shiva Egi with unique animations. Give it the skills stat-wise copied from Ifrit and replace fire aspected damage with ice.

so they function exactly the same? why does SMN get multiple animations for the same attack?

I mean, how hard is it to add some pets? WoW hunters has several. My elementalist in GW2 can summon more stuff than my FFXIV summoner. My warlock in WoW has more pets than my FFXIV summoner. Why is this allowed?

It wouldn't be acceptable for black mages to never get any more new spells, would it?

You neglect the job so much and then get surprised that people say that it shouldn't have been added at all. You know what? People would say the same thing about black mages if all they could use was Fire I, Blizzard I and Thunder I. No Flare, no Fire III, no anything else.

what is Painflare, Deathflare, Dreadwyrm Trance? SMNs got the same amount of new stuff every job got.

[Ririta]

what is Painflare, Deathflare, Dreadwyrm Trance? SMNs got the same amount of new stuff every job got.

We're supposed to be summoners, not black mages. We already had enough offensive spells for ourselves - if not new summoning spells then we should've gotten at least new spells that are focused on our pets, but we didn't get a single one. This is a pet job but right now, fairies are more central to scholar's gameplay than egis are to summoner's.