Question on a progression lockout

[Dreggit]

I don't know if I missed something. Maybe I'm stupid, but I feel I've missed a step somewhere.

So I'm leveling ALC (51 atm) and I'm trying to gear up so that I can finally craft the faded orchestrations for my FC.

Buuuut my gear is not high enough in craft skill to even make the damn stuff but as far as I can tell... the il55 ALC gear that I have (head, chest, hand, leg, feet and a few right side articles). So I thought about the MB but it looks to me that I have the best gear I can have that can be bought. And when talking to the duder in Revenant Toll. The trade in items for higher il gear seem to be out of reach as well due to not having high enough craft skill.

Did I miss something important? I've been feeling drained going in circles not finding my answer.

[Tsubaki75]

The best gear at 51 is either the archaeoskin set at I lvl 65 or the artisan's set at i60. Either way you'll need to meld in order to get where you need to be.you are also missing cross class skills since you don't have any other leveled crafters

[Dreggit]

The best gear at 51 is either the archaeoskin set at I lvl 65 or the artisan's set at i60. Either way you'll need to meld in order to get where you need to be.you are also missing cross class skills since you don't have any other leveled crafters

I was told not to level other crafts or worry about cross class abilities because they were being removed. According to people in my FC of which has been less than helpful in crafting

[Roth_Trailfinder]

I was told not to level other crafts or worry about cross class abilities because they were being removed. According to people in my FC of which has been less than helpful in crafting

We know the COMBAT SYSTEM is getting an overhaul, with the change from Cross Class Moves to Role Specific moves.

What we do NOT know is whether that will have any impact on the crafting (or gathering, not that there is much there to worry about) cross class moves. FOR NOW, crafting is an all-or-nothing affair, in that you need to level all the classes up in order to get all the necessary cross class moves. The Specialist moves were intended to allow someone, like you, with only one class leveled up to compete with someone who has all crafters leveled, but fail horribly at that, so if you intend to craft anything, get those crafters leveled up.

[Dreggit]

We know the COMBAT SYSTEM is getting an overhaul, with the change from Cross Class Moves to Role Specific moves.

What we do NOT know is whether that will have any impact on the crafting (or gathering, not that there is much there to worry about) cross class moves. FOR NOW, crafting is an all-or-nothing affair, in that you need to level all the classes up in order to get all the necessary cross class moves. The Specialist moves were intended to allow someone, like you, with only one class leveled up to compete with someone who has all crafters leveled, but fail horribly at that, so if you intend to craft anything, get those crafters leveled up.

Sounds to me my FCmates are just using me for orchestration rolls then that makes me feel bad.

If you could make a recommendation, should I level crafters across the board 10 levels at a time?

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Actually, if your only aim is to make orchestration rolls, you DO NOT need to level everything to 60. But you will still need the following:

(1) Reach ALC 60. Every time you level up, lower level recipes will become significantly easier to complete. Thus, by reaching ALC 60, it'll allow you to complete orchestrion rolls of recipe level 50 to 56 pretty easily. Another reason of reaching ALC 60, is because many orchestrion rolls are actually locked in Master Recipes (ARR Master Recipe, and Heavensward Master Recipe 1 & 2). To obtain these master recipe, a lvl 60 class is necessary.
(2) Obtain critical cross class skills that has to do with increasing "progress" for item completion. There are many cross class skills that will benefit you on progress. Piece By Piece (PBP) is a MUST. You can't handle high level orchestrion rolls without it. So get ARM level 50. I don't think anyone would disagree with this. If you have ARM 50, you would have gotten Rapid Syn at ARM 15 anyway, and it's another skill that is great for progress. However, Rapid Syn sucks on fidelity, so you will need CUL 37 for Steady Hand II. Other things to consider include WVR 50, which gives Careful Syn II (100% in fidelity and 120% in progress comparing to Basic Syn) and BSM50, which gives Ingenuity II (wonderful to empower any "synthesis" skills like Careful Syn II or Rapid Syn). CUL 54 gives Muscle Memory, which is basically a PBP that can only be used once, but it's 100% fidelity and cost only 6 CP. GSM 54 gives Maker's Mark and GSM 40 gives Flawless Syn. These two skills are also great for progress. But for you, I don't think it's necessary. ALC itself also have Name of Water and Brand of Water. Pairing these two up also gives very strong progress as well.

However, there is a catch here. To obtain ARR Master Recipe, you actually need to turn in some HQ items (lvl 50 ARR 2 star stuff). Back in the old days, we will need "ALL classes 50" to handle it. Now, you can simply BUY the HQ items on the MB (since they're really cheap now), or you can just overpower them using a level 60 ALC. To obtain Heavensward Master Recipe 1 & 2, you will need to obtain Blue Scrips. And to obtain that, you will have to deal with quality in items by making collectables. Luckily, you can turn in recipe level 56 items for Blue Scrips, so I think you can still overpower it with a level 60 ALC, but it really wouldn't hurt to try to obtain some cross class skills to assist this process. Thus, I strongly recommend you at least having all classes to level 15 first. This is extremely easy to obtain, yet the power from all those different lvl 15 cross class skills is tremendous.

Keep in mind though, leveling ALC to 60 without lvl 50 cross class skills from multiple classes will make life VERY difficult. The "All lvl 15" I recommended above will help A LOT, but still not as good as "All 50". Because it will be very difficult to HQ any recipes on your crafting log that are of the same level as your class. You can, however, exploit Moogle Beast Quest and Ixali Beast Quest to obtain EXP every day. You can also push levels using leves by submitting NQ items, but you will need TWICE the amount of leves and TWICE the amount of materials (and gil) to do the same job as submitting HQ items.

Oh, and don't forget, don't mess with melding materia. You won't need it unless you're at level 60. If you really want, you can meld some cheap CP materia to help. But please don't burn all your gil.

I don't know if I missed something. Maybe I'm stupid, but I feel I've missed a step somewhere.

So I'm leveling ALC (51 atm) and I'm trying to gear up so that I can finally craft the faded orchestrations for my FC.

Buuuut my gear is not high enough in craft skill to even make the damn stuff but as far as I can tell... the il55 ALC gear that I have (head, chest, hand, leg, feet and a few right side articles). So I thought about the MB but it looks to me that I have the best gear I can have that can be bought. And when talking to the duder in Revenant Toll. The trade in items for higher il gear seem to be out of reach as well due to not having high enough craft skill.

Did I miss something important? I've been feeling drained going in circles not finding my answer.

Don't feel stupid at all. Crafting can be a complicated game. And despite yourself having a level 51 ALC, most of your other classes are below level 15. So you have barely entered the crafting world yet. To be frank, a little googling on "FFXIV crafting guide" would probably direct you to some useful information. I do recommend you to read a little bit, and learn a little more about it.

I was told not to level other crafts or worry about cross class abilities because they were being removed. According to people in my FC of which has been less than helpful in crafting

Absolute BS. Without cross class skills, the crafting game would collapse completely.

The Specialist moves were intended to allow someone, like you, with only one class leveled up to compete with someone who has all crafters leveled, but fail horribly at that, so if you intend to craft anything, get those crafters leveled up.

Agree. The Specialist stuff won't help as much as getting "progress-related cross class skills". However, since Dreggit is only concern about making orchestrion rolls, "quality-related cross class skills" are not critical. This means he does not need to push everything to lvl 60. Having gatherer classes leveled up would help save a lot of money though.

[Tsubaki75]

Actually, if your only aim is to make orchestration rolls, you DO NOT need to level everything to 60. But you will still need the following

A good list of skills, but while his goal now is orchristration rolls it's not going to stay just that. I would recommend getting your crafters to 50. You will need innovation, ingenuity 2, waste not 2, and byregot's blessing on top of the list that Caimie gave you if you wan't to hq any of the star items at lvl. The lvl 50 ones you'll eventually be able to power thru but you won't be able to hq anything at 60.
You may also want to look for a crafting ls on your server there should be a couple, since your fc seems uninterested in helping you for some reason.