[Venting]: Lack of HQ Blue Scrip Materials

[Frowny]

I am quite certain the specialist skills were designed for people who didn't want to be omni-crafters. They give less powerful options for most of the "must-have" skills For people who don't have every class to 50 or 60.

They basically were, but crafting is designed to heavily favor omnicrafters and borderline enforce it. Decent idea, absolutely flawed execution.

[Mithrahn]

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99++ steps 100% HQ with a lot of CP remaining, on Astral Oil while undergeared using all NQ mats. : http://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../blog/2977519/

Honestly speaking though, once adequately geared up the specialist skills aren't really needed, but they do help if you're attempting a tough craft with somewhat low stats.

[Alsar]

The problem is that for other crafts that don't use blue scrip mats you can get them in HQ. Being able to buy HQ blue scrip mats would just level the playing field.

[alimdia]

I am quite certain the specialist skills were designed for people who didn't want to be omni-crafters. They give less powerful options for most of the "must-have" skills For people who don't have every class to 50 or 60.

That was the original intention, but that's not what they are, they don't really cover cross class skills, looking at FoxyAreku's video a lot of what he did was possible because of the cross class skills he used, and in fact those specialist actions added a lot of rng compared to the rotation most people use, and not good rng, with specialist actions you have more to lose than the little you can gain if the planets align.

I'm not saying it's impossible to use them, but they aren't really meant to be used for mass crafting things.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

That was the original intention, but that's not what they are, they don't really cover cross class skills, looking at FoxyAreku's video a lot of what he did was possible because of the cross class skills he used, and in fact those specialist actions added a lot of rng compared to the rotation most people use, and not good rng, with specialist actions you have more to lose than the little you can gain if the planets align.

I'm not saying it's impossible to use them, but they aren't really meant to be used for mass crafting things.

Just to add to this - the whole reason they instituted Specialist Restriction on crafting (cannot craft unless you are that Specialist) is because the Specialization system FAILED at what it was intended to do. People were ignoring the Specialization system when it first came out, because there was no real reason to pay any attention to it. What little testing was done with the Specialization moves only showed that they did not compare with, or adequately replace, the various cross class moves that omnicrafters used. This meant that the general advice remained "crafting is all-or-nothing, level them all for the cross class skills" - something that SE did not want to see.

So rather than actually fix the Specialization system to actually be a benefit, and actually do what they said it was meant to do, they simply locked new recipes behind the system. This had the effect of forcing people who want to craft the new stuff when it is new to take on Specializations. It also keeps Red Crafting Scrip somewhat relevant, as those are the means by which one acquires new Souls of the Crafter to change their Specializations. It also had a minor impact of bringing alts to the high levels, as a few sought to use multiple characters to get around the three Specialists per character limit.

[Ksenia]

The main problem is, you need 390 CP to create a rotation that gets you inner Quiet stacks for a boosted Byregot's Blessing.


My NQ Blue scrip rotation (omni) is and works on 35, 40 and 70 just add more CS II for 70

Comfort Zone,
Inner Quiet,
Steady Hand II,
Waste Not I,

Basic touch x 4 (use precise when its up - compensate with Hasty for as many CP short you are)
Careful Synth II,
Masters Mend,
Steady Hand II
Basic Touch x 2, (again use precise when it's up - You "need" 74 CP I think to complete finisher, here and you might need to sacrifice one of the 6 touches for a 3rd CS II if you have low gear)
Great strides,
Innovation,
Byregot's Blessing,
Careful Synth II

The goal being to build as many IQ stacks. You can't fill the quality bar using touch skills, like you could in ARR. I use this on all the parts turn in items like Titanium Nuggets, Dark Chestnut and Raimie. Even if I want those items I will craft in collectable mode and just click no to collectable if I get a 100% opting for the HQ. It allows me to craft selective scrip or mats and the 5-10 scrip you get each time do add up. It does eat crystals though so blue scrip according to what ones you have loads of.

[Anneliese]

Hi Hayward \o/ (I don't use forums much)
HQ Material availability for any type of major material would be great. I'm not as up to date on crafting as I used to be though.. ):

[Roth_Trailfinder]

My NQ Blue scrip rotation (omni) is and works on 35, 40 and 70 just add more CS II for 70

Comfort Zone,
Inner Quiet,
Steady Hand II,
Waste Not I,

Basic touch x 4 (use precise when its up - compensate with Hasty for as many CP short you are)
Careful Synth II,
Masters Mend,
Steady Hand II
Basic Touch x 2, (again use precise when it's up - You "need" 74 CP I think to complete finisher, here and you might need to sacrifice one of the 6 touches for a 3rd CS II if you have low gear)
Great strides,
Innovation,
Byregot's Blessing,
Careful Synth II

The goal being to build as many IQ stacks. You can't fill the quality bar using touch skills, like you could in ARR.

This depends upon your stats, actually. For your first 56, no, you won't find it easy to get BCS. Gear up with the white level 60 gear, and it is not that hard. With a full set of i190/i195 Ironworks, it is ridiculously easy. Titanium Nugget, for example, with 983 Craftsmanship, gets completed with one CS2, meaning that one can do a CZ, IQ, WN1, SH2, HTx5 initial set. Follow that with Manipulation, SH2, WN, and then some combination of HT and BT to leave enough CP for SH, GS, Inno, BB, and then a CS2, and you've got your 100%'d Nugget. That's with 936 base Control. As I said, full Ironworks i190/i195. Even without that though, I had gotten an IQ10 (without using PT on the two Goods I got!) on this rotation, which with much less Control would still allow for enough of a BB to 100% it.

That said, it may be easier, depending on level, to do a 70 durability recipe than a 35 or 40 durability recipe. Depending on how you use it, Waste Not 2 may be the best way to play Durability games based on the CP usage, but Master's Mend 2 is generally the best in terms of CP usage per Durability once you factor in practicality. The 70 Durability BCS hand ins will require a lot more in materials per craft, but tend to be worth a lot more BCS as well. Depending on the total number of Progress steps needed, you may start off one way or another :
CZ, IQ, SH2, RS, CS2, HTx3, SH2, HT, MM2, HTx3, SH2, HTx2, GS, Inno, BB, CS2
CZ, IQ, CS2, SH2, HTx5, MM2, SH2, HTx5, SH2, GS, Inno, BB, CS2
Or some variant thereupon, replacing HT's with PT's (early on) and BT's (later on) as CP and Condition permit. Another possible advantage of the 70 Durability recipes is that you have better control (through manually crafting yourself) just how much of your materials are HQ and how much are NQ. You are forced to rely on the luck of the draw for your Titanium Nugget materials, but when you craft the Titanium Ingot, Dragon Leather, Dhalmel Leather, Hardsilver Ingot, and the Grade 1 Dexterity Dissolvent yourself, you are better able to ensure that those refined materials are HQ. The necessity of which is gear dependent; the possibility of it is level dependent.

Personally, when I look at getting BCS, I do the same judgement as getting RCS : what gets me the most (or targeted) level of Scrip with the least hand ins? I'd rather do something for 160 BCS than three somethings for 70 BCS if all I want is 150 BCS.

[Frowny]

Do these script mats even contribute a lot to HQ? Haven't touched crafting in 3.4 so my memory is fuzzy but I do recall 1-2 mats per recipe barely pushing the HQ bar to the point it didn't make a difference.

[Ksenia]

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For a lot of people getting blue scrip is better done the way you do it but I and I think the OP find they get snagged on bottleneck mats as they add more and more cross class parts. Using the 40 dura recipes with an all basic touch IQ stack system removes both material clutter and gray rotation from Hasty.

If I go out and mine Titanium I mine fire crystals when the node is hidden. Fire is used by Bsm to make the titanium nugget and I am then only obligated to go grab some bomb ash and Iron to do what I want to do. I don't need to mess with unspoiled nodes, I don't need to mess with multiple stacks of parts that evolve in to multiple, multiple stacks of mats. I'm only looking at 1200 BS per 500 Titanium but it's a far more direct path to completion.