The great debate about housing and TOS.

[rarecandi]

I'd like to take some time out from crafting and grinding the new relic to settle the great debate lately of whether buying/selling housing/FCs is against the Terms of Service. I have heard mixed things about it and would like an official statement from a GM. Screenshots and tells are easily manipulated as we can see in this thread: Here

I received this message from Support in game. I believe it's proof enough, but others will need a bit more convincing. If a GM would please, make a statement it would be greatly appreciated. With the ongoing war of housing demolition, people are buying houses cheap and then selling them for insane amounts. This is becoming a HUGE problem on every server. Please, there needs to be a clear statement for all to see.

[StouterTaru]

You love that support desk, don't you?

[rarecandi]

It answers my questions, yes.

[Morbid]

SE is not going to come right out and say don't do it. They are trying to give some freedom to the players to manage a situation like that, but they make it clear that doing so is not an SE policy or something they really encourage because then they'd make themselves liable to have to save someone after they get scammed..

If they say yeah you can do it but in actuality their policy doesn't support it then they find themselves at points where people are going to say..

"But you said it was cool SE.. I got scammed and now your GMs won't help me.."

[ExKage]

You love that support desk, don't you?

I'm curious to know how this post adds anything to the discussion but to derail it? You could at least be more helpful and point out that the support desk doesn't give the best results such as when certain users of a Free Company on Balmung were held hostage by their leader by not allowing them the fc housing rights to remove and demolish their rooms and hence leave their free company.

They could not enter the house. Could not remove the items or demolish their rooms All the support desk did was keep pointing them to a generic and -wrong- info for them to leave. In this thread we found out what caused people the inability to take out furnishings, demolish the room and leave the FC. The only reason these people were finally allowed to leave were because of peer pressure and people on Balmung hearing about the situation and staging a sit in whenever the FC leader was around.

The entire time the support desk just kept telling people the steps to remove items if you had access to do so.

SE is not going to come right out and say don't do it. They are trying to give some freedom to the players to manage a situation like that, but they make it clear that doing so is not an SE policy or something they really encourage because then they'd make themselves liable to have to save someone after they get scammed..

If they say yeah you can do it but in actuality their policy doesn't support it then they find themselves at points where people are going to say..

"But you said it was cool SE.. I got scammed and now your GMs won't help me.."

SE came right out and said "player driven casinos using /random and gil are allowed through x y and x because through chat we can help you in case of scamming."

What stops that with housing? You still speak on the terms in game.

Another edit:
My suggestion is that the thread title is edited to search for gm clarification and those you post it in the general discussion area as well to get more notice.

[rarecandi]

SE is not going to come right out and say don't do it. They are trying to give some freedom to the players to manage a situation like that, but they make it clear that doing so is not an SE policy or something they really encourage because then they'd make themselves liable to have to save someone after they get scammed..

If they say yeah you can do it but in actuality their policy doesn't support it then they find themselves at points where people are going to say..

"But you said it was cool SE.. I got scammed and now your GMs won't help me.."

But they did come right out and say don't do it. If you look at the screenshot from the support desk. It says, it is against TOS of service and you can have action towards your account. I just want confirmation from a GM in the forums so as people will actually believe what some of us are saying.

[rarecandi]

The support desk calls before this were for an unrelated incident that took literally days of talking with GMs to settle.

[Morbid]

But they did come right out and say don't do it. If you look at the screenshot from the support desk. It says, it is against TOS of service and you can have action towards your account. I just want confirmation from a GM in the forums so as people will actually believe what some of us are saying.

I'm saying it's not something they are going to stress unless asked. SE of course would love not to do additional programming to make these things completely work in game. So player driven content will get some support.. just not to the point where SE is placing themselves into the role where they have to be responsible for every housing exchange.

I'm only speaking on housing... not gambling or casinos or etc.. just housing

[rarecandi]

I'm saying it's not something they are going to stress unless asked. SE of course would love not to do additional programming to make these things completely work in game. So player driven content will get some support.. just not to the point where SE is placing themselves into the role where they have to be responsible for every housing exchange.

I'm only speaking on housing... not gambling or casinos or etc.. just housing

It would seem they need to take a better stance on it, though. Look at Jenova. There are people being harassed and cursed at (witnessed firsthand on an alt.) because of housing. With the demo there are now a ton of people selling housing for increased prices. This needs to be taken seriously. There are good people on these servers that work hard and deserver housing, yet content sellers, etc are buying up the housing just to make more gil.

[ExKage]

I'm only speaking on housing... not gambling or casinos or etc.. just housing

You might only be speaking about housing but the same logic applies. Housing is player driven that all terms and actions are conducted in-game that is easy for GMs to track. If they didn't want the hassle they'd do the same with casinos as you say they do housing.