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  1. #171
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    Vidu's Avatar
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    You can also makes deals with other small FCs to help each other out.
    For me getting 4 people together isnt the mainproblem here - sure, you can help each other out, you can set up a PF, you have all those options to get 4 bodies in there.

    ...and THAT is the problem. You dont need 4 crafters, you need 4 bodies - or rather 3 bodies and one person doing the work. There is no reason for 4 people to be there, because theres nothing to do for 3 of them. Its not fun-content to do, because its actually no content at all for 75% of the group - and for the fourth person is basically just a free tendonitis from all the clicking.

    There is no crafting-minigame that you'd need four people for.
    Not even something in the cutscene, that would suggest that the 4 of you are actually operating that maschine or something.

    Whenever we have someone new in the workshop they get excited about it and ask "So, what do I do?" and we tell them "Actually... nothing, just sit there. Maybe get a coffee, this might take a while."
    Its pretty bad designed "content" when 75% of people participating are afk because they've got nothing to do and arent actually required.
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  2. #172
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    ManuelBravo's Avatar
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    Manuel Bravo
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    For me getting 4 people together isnt the mainproblem here - sure, you can help each other out, you can set up a PF, you have all those options to get 4 bodies in there.
    ...and THAT is the problem. You dont need 4 crafters, you need 4 bodies - or rather 3 bodies and one person doing the work. There is no reason for 4 people to be there, because theres nothing to do for 3 of them. Its not fun-content to do, because its actually no content at all for 75% of the group - and for the fourth person is basically just a free tendonitis from all the clicking.

    There is no crafting-minigame that you'd need four people for.
    Not even something in the cutscene, that would suggest that the 4 of you are actually operating that maschine or something.

    Whenever we have someone new in the workshop they get excited about it and ask "So, what do I do?" and we tell them "Actually... nothing, just sit there. Maybe get a coffee, this might take a while."
    Its pretty bad designed "content" when 75% of people participating are afk because they've got nothing to do and arent actually required.
    Actually youneed those extra bodies to be DoH in order for it to progress >.>
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  3. #173
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    Vidu's Avatar
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
    Actually youneed those extra bodies to be DoH in order for it to progress >.>
    Yes, but thats all you need from them.
    You can send them to the nearest city-state, tell them to pick up any crafter, doesnt matter which one and then... afk in the workshop.

    For me there is no feeling of "relevance" to having those other people there. I'm glad they dont require us all to be mastercrafters to progress the thing, but there is neither a gameplay nor a "lore"-reason to have 4 in there - except them programming it that way and then not doing anything with it.

    Having 4 people actually doing something, crafting together or even just having a dumb little mini-game with pushing buttons in the right order or something like that, would be at least somewhat engaging.
    This way its just 3 people afking.
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  4. #174
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    -BlueGreen-'s Avatar
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    Akira Yukino
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    Coeurl
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    What's worse is actually trying to use those 3 warm bodies for something useful. For instance, divide up the mats by type, have one person contribute ingots, the other lumber, a 3rd crystals, and you turn in the nails or whatever. In theory, this divides up the amount of mouse clicks to get it done and should allow for faster completion, but...
    1. The people helping you no longer can be just 'any' crafter, they now have to have the relevant class/level to actually donate the item you give them.
    2. Two or more people tried to donate too close to one another? Oops, error, try again -> more mouse clicks
    3. Someone's dog needs to be walked? Whole party grinds to a halt because that person has part of the mats. Of course, they could trade back the mats before going afk, but they'll only be gone for a minute or two, right?
    Seriously, it's pretty pointless, and can even be detrimental if you even think about attempting to utilize the warm bodies. They either should add some sort of minigame (perhaps one that directly influences the progess amount to help lower mat requirements for the next stage if played well?), or just flat out remove the party requirement.
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  5. #175
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    Niwashi's Avatar
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    Y'kayah Tia
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    Coeurl
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    Ninja Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by -BlueGreen- View Post
    1. The people helping you no longer can be just 'any' crafter, they now have to have the relevant class/level to actually donate the item you give them.
    2. Two or more people tried to donate too close to one another? Oops, error, try again -> more mouse clicks
    3. Someone's dog needs to be walked? Whole party grinds to a halt because that person has part of the mats. Of course, they could trade back the mats before going afk, but they'll only be gone for a minute or two, right?
    and
    4. If you don't have enough FC crafters online and go the PF route to get other people to help out, are you going to trust random strangers with your expensive mats?
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  6. #176
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    DrWho2010's Avatar
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    Maximum Powerful
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    Hyperion
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    Summoner Lv 70
    you don't give your mats to other people you submit everything yourself as party leader. obviously this means you must have all your crafters levelled.
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  7. #177
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    Solarra's Avatar
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    Solara Flynn
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    Zodiark
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    Archer Lv 70
    Yes, this is every bit as tedious as it was back in 2015 when the thread was made (was it really that long ago?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    Having 4 people actually doing something, crafting together or even just having a dumb little mini-game with pushing buttons in the right order or something like that, would be at least somewhat engaging.
    This way its just 3 people afking.
    Sounds like we have had similar experiences. Our new members are all excited to see the workshop, want to get involved and then they realise that there is very little they can do. The item-level and class requirements work against you if people want to contribute and work together as a group. It's all very disappointing. That mini-game idea would have been so cool, as it is it's single player content with a party requirement tacked on.
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    Last edited by Solarra; 07-07-2018 at 07:34 PM.

  8. #178
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    Jhanavish's Avatar
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    Pea Plum
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    Excalibur
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    Alchemist Lv 60
    Would love to see this unfun, unnecessary restriction lifted. If there's a way to reduce the amount of clicks to enter the mats, that'd be much appreciated.

    Why not just use the standard crafting materials input window -- 6 mats displayed, with NQ and HQ amounts auto-filled from your inventory?
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  9. #179
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    rxnin's Avatar
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    Yamete Kudasai
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    Excalibur
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Another patch, another bump! And so the cycle continues, until "Light Party" requirement is removed.
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  10. #180
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    Shadygrove's Avatar
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    Alya Mizar
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    Sargatanas
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    Marauder Lv 44
    I would rather see the crafting party made meaningful to the other crafters.

    But I can't see how to do that.

    Besides, when we are mass crafting wheels the AFK bit is appealing for 3 out of 4.
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