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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyalia View Post
    Thank you so much for posting this guide! Do you have any idea if you have to explore specific sectors to find specific new sectors? Like, if you can only find Sector 04 while exploring Sector 03, or if it's just totally random? We're rank 11, but only have three sectors unlocked, which seems low.
    This very same question has occurred to me, and others have reported your same predicament. It is possible that some sectors are only unlocked by visiting a specific sector, and if that is the case, it would be a super handy thing to have in the guide! I'm going to add this to one of the "unsolved mysteries" and hopefully we can get some others to share their observations and shed some light on it.

    Just curious, which parts have you upgraded so far, and in what order? Just anecdotal evidence, but we upgraded our forecastle first (not sure if i'd recommend that) and we always seemed to find new sectors at a pace that held steady with our rank. Others have thought that Surveillance plays an important role.

    Hijacking this post to put some outdated information that was previously in the guide, it may be interesting to see what we originally believed.


    Surveillance discussion

    In the above guide, I proposed that Surveillance influences the probability that you will gather a 2nd item and retrieval influences your extraction rating. The biggest reason for believing this comes from the wording of the flight log. For each node that you encounter in a sector, you get a message reporting the weather conditions followed by the impact on surveillance level and exploratory capability.

    -When there is no difficult weather, you receive a message like this: No wind or turbulence detected. 2 surveillance levels sufficient for exploration.
    -When you encounter difficult weather, you get a message like this: Experiencing high winds. Airship surveillance levels unaffected, but exploratory capability may be slightly hindered.
    -When you are not able to gather a 2nd item, you receive a message like this: Additional anomalies detected. However, airship condition found insufficient for further exploration.

    The use of the word "surveillance" in these descriptions suggests that the stat plays a role. Considering all of those messages together, it sounds like your surveillance level is sort of like the HP of your airship. When you encounter winds or turbulence on your first item, it can reduce your HP. When the time comes to gather the 2nd item, if you do not have enough HP, you skip that item and move on to the next sector. Your surveillance level starts fresh for the next sector.

    Edit: I've been able to disconfirm this theory. I now have had the case where I was unable to gather an additional node even after having no wind.

    It's worth noting that while it sounds nice, our data haven't really demonstrated this strongly one way or another. Based on this theory you could hypothesize that there is a much lower chance of gathering a 2nd item after experiencing turbulence, a moderately lower chance after experiencing wind, and no penalty after not having bad weather. The following is our data, although a much larger sample is probably necessary to clearly demonstrate this:
    -Failure rate after turbulence: 6 out of 12 (50%)
    -Failure rate after wind: 4 out of 8 (50%)
    -Failure rate after none: 0 out of 1 (0%)


    Edit: Now that we have so much more data in our fancy database, lets re-run these analyses!

    Another interesting observation from our results came from upgrading our aftcastle, which decreased surveillance by 4 points. After this upgrade we had significantly higher failure rate for finding a 2nd item:
    -Failure rate before surveillance decrease: 4 / 14 (29%)
    -Failure rate after surveillance decrease: 6 / 8 (75%)

    However, take the above observations with a grain of salt. One confounding factor is that we also ranked up and traveled to higher sectors on the "after decrease" missions. The higher failure rate may just be because the sectors were more difficult.

    Entertaining other ideas, it might be that surveillance influences whether you can gather items in a sector at all, and we haven't yet encountered a sector where surveillance is not high enough to gather an item. So far, we've always been able to gather a first item and occasionally unable to gather a 2nd. We haven't yet been at a sector where it was possible to gather a 3rd. There have been no "additional anomalies detected" after the 2nd item. Surveillance may also play a role in that, although it seems more likely that there is a cap of 2 nodes for each sector we've encountered so far.

    One interesting tidbit is that gathering a 2nd item doesn't seem important for performance ratings (exp boost). On several occasions we've gotten "decent" and "satisfactory" ratings for a sector even when we've failed to get a 2nd item. Conversely, we've gotten "abysmal" ratings where we were able to gather both items but merely with "normal" retrieval levels.


    Retrieval discussion

    Retrieval is a bit more straightforward. When you extract an item you get a message like this: High retrieval levels result in above-average extraction yield.

    Again, the use of the word "retrieval" in this line highly suggests the stat is involved. In our own data, there is a very strong correlation between improving retrieval and getting better retrieval results/performance ratings. We've made a single improvement to retrieval (invincible aftcastle).
    -Ratings before improvement: B, C, C, C, C
    -Ratings after improvement: A, A, A

    We actually just upgraded to enterprise aftcastle last night, and we've yet to see the results. It would support this theory if we see a rating even better than A when she comes back! Edit: Well she came back! We got quite a chunk of EXP but still an A rating (was hoping for S).

    Unlocking the 2nd Airship

    The following reports helped us figure out that it was sector 8 that was important:
    • Rank 20 → 22, sectors 2 → 5 → 7 → 8, unlocked
    • Rank 22 → 24, visited sector 8, unlocked
    • Rank 22 → 23, solo trip to sector 8, enterprise rigging and all other parts invincible, unlocked! (Thanks Seravi!)
    • Rank 27, 5 → 6 → 7 → 8, hit rank 27, unlocked (Thanks Tatsuo!)
    • Rank 25, still not unlocked
    • Rank 22, still not unlocked
    • Rank 19 → 22, full invincible parts, stats are all at 80, still not unlocked (Thanks Inzoum!)
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    Last edited by BonzaiFerroni; 09-11-2015 at 01:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyalia View Post
    The above two posts seem to imply that the route doesn't matter that much... Well, when/if we unlock 4, I'll post the route that did it.
    Our airship is currently rank 17, we have all sectors unlocked up to and including 7. I'm not ingame atm and don't know names off the top of my head but upgraded speed and surveillance to 2nd level. We can make 3 stops currently, I noticed that the order of the stops can affect the time on the trip. For example I went 5-4-1 and the trip was for 24hrs 35 mins, then tried 1-5-4 and it was only 23hrs 45 mins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laxxus View Post
    Has anyone gotten Red or Black Clay as a reward from airship expeditions yet? I'm starting to think they dont exist..
    We got some from our most recent expedition. 3 Red Clay from Sector 7 (rank 17 area).

    Drop lists to contribute

    Sector 6: Deep Green Crystal
    Sector 7: Deep Blue Crystal, Red Clay
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez View Post
    We got some from our most recent expedition. 3 Red Clay from Sector 7 (rank 17 area).

    Drop lists to contribute

    Sector 6: Deep Green Crystal
    Sector 7: Deep Blue Crystal, Red Clay
    Thank you, first we've seen of some of these! Keep the reports coming!

    Added; I've also added more information to the 2nd airship question. At least one airship has been rank 25 and still no 2nd airship. It could be there is some RNG to it, and there is just a possibility after rank 20? Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonzaiFerroni View Post
    Just curious, which parts have you upgraded so far, and in what order? Just anecdotal evidence, but we upgraded our forecastle first (not sure if i'd recommend that) and we always seemed to find new sectors at a pace that held steady with our rank. Others have thought that Surveillance players an important role.
    None. We didn't get our first Bamboo drop until just before I posted that, and we haven't had a chance to build the new parts yet. We never found bamboo going 01 -> 03. We only found it when I switched to the less exp-efficient 02 -> 03, and they were found in 02. We have two full stacks of Vivianite though, and I think one of Red Moko Grass!

    We're upgrading Surveillance first though, which should be done soon. I could have just done it all myself while the majority of my FC was asleep, but it's more fun to work with people and spread out the work.
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    (The links below are sadly outdated. I hope to get around to updating things at some point.)
    Desynthesis Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivdesynth

    Airship Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipguide (\v/) Airship Quick Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipqr
    Airship Logsheet: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshiplog (/|\) Airship Builder Tool: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipbuilder

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    You might be interested to know that materials such as balsa or bambo can be traded. Even if they arent listed on the mb you can still obtain some from another player; if you know someone that has spare/is willing to sell them.

    My FC didnt get the last 2 balsa needed for the tier III schematics but I managed to get 2 from a friend so we could start producing our first Enterprise part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonzaiFerroni View Post
    Thank you, first we've seen of some of these! Keep the reports coming!

    Added; I've also added more information to the 2nd airship question. At least one airship has been rank 25 and still no 2nd airship. It could be there is some RNG to it, and there is just a possibility after rank 20? Thoughts?
    We can pretty much confirm you need to clear the rank 20 area, Sector 8. We just unlocked it today (21 -> 22), and will know tomorrow morning. Some got lucky unlocking it earlier I guess.
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    My FC has the Rank 25 airship, and we cleared sectors 1 through 9, currently otw to 10, and we did not unlock the 2nd airship.
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    The next time someone unlocks their second airship, could they please post a screenshot of the voyage log from the voyage that unlocks it? I think that'll really help figure out the conditions required. Anyone (with access) can view the voyage log from a ship's last voyage from the flight control panel, not just the one who initially saw and finalized the report.
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    (The links below are sadly outdated. I hope to get around to updating things at some point.)
    Desynthesis Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivdesynth

    Airship Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipguide (\v/) Airship Quick Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipqr
    Airship Logsheet: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshiplog (/|\) Airship Builder Tool: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipbuilder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyalia View Post
    None. We didn't get our first Bamboo drop until just before I posted that, and we haven't had a chance to build the new parts yet. We never found bamboo going 01 -> 03. We only found it when I switched to the less exp-efficient 02 -> 03, and they were found in 02. We have two full stacks of Vivianite though, and I think one of Red Moko Grass!

    We're upgrading Surveillance first though, which should be done soon. I could have just done it all myself while the majority of my FC was asleep, but it's more fun to work with people and spread out the work.
    Awesome! Let us know if you notice a difference after upgrading the forecastle!! If you do unlock sector(s), it will be the best support yet that surveillance (or favor?) is important.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    You might be interested to know that materials such as balsa or bambo can be traded. Even if they arent listed on the mb you can still obtain some from another player; if you know someone that has spare/is willing to sell them.
    That is quite interesting, I'm tempted to add it to my "quick tips" section because it is a bit unexpected and could really help some folks out!

    Quote Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez View Post
    We can pretty much confirm you need to clear the rank 20 area, Sector 8. We just unlocked it today (21 -> 22), and will know tomorrow morning. Some got lucky unlocking it earlier I guess.
    I haven't heard of anyone unlocking it before 22, have you? And thanks for the report, I'll add it to my list!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tatsuo View Post
    My FC has the Rank 25 airship, and we cleared sectors 1 through 9, currently otw to 10, and we did not unlock the 2nd airship.
    Thanks for this report, it really adds to the mystery. And I like that you've included which sectors you've unlocked, that rules out any of the sectors 1-9 as being the necessary component.
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