Machinist needs serious attention

[Taimara]

People on reddit have been comparing all the jobs at level 60 with comparable gear and well, MCH is the absolute lowest by far.

The DPS numbers:
SMN: 1050-1100dps (ilvl161 w/ ilvl 170 weapon)
DRG: 1100-1200dps (ilvl170)
MNK: 1100dps (ilvl170)
BRD: 900-1000dps (ilvl161 w/ilvl 170 weapon)
MCH: 760-840dps (ilvl170 w/ilvl 180 weapon)
WAR: 750dps (ilvl159 w/ ilvl 170 weapon)
BLM: 977dps (ilvl159 w/ ilvl 170 weapon)

Yes, melee dps should be higher because in a normal boss fight they have to move out of range and other stuff. MCH don't but still, that much of a difference is ridiculous. BRD is higher and if you get horrible RNG your DPS will go lower. I've lost count of the times when Split Shot did not proc until quick reload was up. I've had runs where the supposed 50% proc rate was more like 15%.

I still love the job but I fully expect people to not want it for end-game raids until S-E buffs it a bit.

[Kayote]

For whatever the opinion of a 49 Bard thats been pretty much leveling with a MCH in every single dungeon since 30 ... I agree that MCH do seem to need some love. At first I was just like "well maybe its a new class and players still havent figured things out." Now though theyre actually getting worse, if anything. When mobs are split im usually ahead, im always the one in the yellow as far as aggro goes... not to mention you get an odd complaint every now and then (ie "I wish my Misery's End was on a 12sec CD"). I know its not cold hard numbers but for what its worth its my opinion.

Who knows, it is technically a new class though none of the others seem to be having much trouble performing. AST does seem to have trouble keeping up in heavy fights (which could be DRK mitigation problems) but other than that theyre fine.

[SovereignAegis]

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS HERE!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes! YES! Upvotes a billion times YES!

[SovereignAegis]

Here you go, my thread I made the first day of prerelease on machinist when I realized something was wrong. And yes I did my absolute utmost to do maximum damage and rotation and STILL felt this way.

I still do feel this same way even today. My Scholar does more DPS for real when I spam broil. It's upsetting to say the least.

I have a member in my FC who states that it gets better, that he does well... but I wonder if he is saying that just to make me feel better.


My thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-level-42%29

[PlumpyMcduff]

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Propose changes you'd like to see to the Job in this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-Changes-HERE

Or discuss my proposed changes, if you wish.

[FaileExperiment]

I've gotten my mch to 53, and I still don't feel like I do as much damage as my Bard did at 50. I really like the idea and concept of the MCH, but SE's execution here is seriously weak. There's too much RNG that keeps me looking at my bars instead of enjoying the amazing fights I'm engaged in, as if my character is just staring at his feet all the time. The turret just seems to be... there. It's all just kind of bland, which is seriously out of place in the FF universe.

[LittleArrow]

There are changes that I think could fix this class:
1. Lower the GCD / Casting time to so we can spam Split Shot more
2. Increase the proc chance between Split and Slug to 75% or 80%, leave the proc chance between Slug and Cleaner alone
3. Increase all of the overall potencies of weaponskills
4. Increase all of the overal potencies of Turret to do more damage
5. Make Wildfire cut through all defenses (it's getting hit with 2 defense reductions, the only move that does that in the entire game)

Personally I think 1, 2, and 5 should be done straight off the bat to make MCH comparable to other dps. Either do 3 or 4 but not both.

I've added a few more and posted them on the front page. Thank you to everyone who has posted. Whether or not you agree with what's going on with MCH atm, the suggestions and information is so incredibly helpful.

Please SE, fix MCH before Alexander or at least give it some sort of temporary buff until you can implement the appropriate changes. If you still don't think there's something wrong with MCH or that we're not playing it properly, look at these posts and watch the numbers in game. Please at least investigate what's going on, b/c your customers on Reddit and some here are showing concern.

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Propose changes you'd like to see to the Job in this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-Changes-HERE

Or discuss my proposed changes, if you wish.

Thank you so much for the post

[Gamer3427]

I've never had any with my MCH DPS. I can't speak for the raw numbers, but in terms of practical usage I could easily keep up with my GF in game when she plays her NIN who had better gear than me the last time we ran DPSing together, (LVL 50), and is one of the far more competent ones I've seen in the game. At level 52, I ran Dusk Vigil and was keeping up with the NIN we got paired up with in there without much trouble except during one boss fight. I keep my turrets up, use my OGC skills in between normal attacks' cooldowns, and time my reloads to have the maximum damage benefit, but I would imagine those are par for the course, so I don't really get what the issue is. It could simply be something that comes closer to level 60, but so far I've had no problems with my DPS.....

EDIT: For reference, I also hadn't unlocked Gauss Barrel when I did Dusk Vigil.....

[Negotiator]

It's hard to figure out how one judges "good dps". Some people think they're good at their job and have it all figured out, but compared to who??? I think input from many other players need to be considered and practiced before you can actually be good. I'm not lvling mch right now, but I can tell when I do play with one, they're definitely on the low end and I am aware of their abilities. It just doesn't seem like a fun job to play right now.

[Fantasy9]

I love how you are complaining about a 50% proc rate to essentially double your chain skills and you say it is worse than BRD.... That is hilarious considering the only combo skill BRDs have now is a 15% chance to auto crit our one skill(mind is going blank right now on skill name) and 15% each tick that cries on Windbite and Venomous Shot to instant CD Bloodletter/RoD.