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    Mayoyama Nakata
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    Please consider rewording Provoke for new tanks

    Hello Localisation (Yes! with an s because I am Australian! :P)

    I humbly beseech thee to rectify a gross misunderstanding by so many brave fledgeling shields of meat, who mistakenly believe, due to the vagueness of the script on thy tool tip, that by drawing the enemies attention on an initial pull with Provoke they shalt be guaranteed maximum hatred of their being, and that they are ensured permanent attention of said vile beast without any further action needing to be taken.

    The tool tip simply says:
    Gestures threateningly, maximising enmity in target

    I am unsure as to how else this could be worded, but the number of tanks I party with in lower level dungeons who genuinely believe that pulling an enemy with provoke gives them some enormous, unbeatable amount of threat... only to watch a dps hit it once or twice and then not understand why they cannot keep threat on the enemy even though they used provoke.

    I do try to politely explain that provoke is only useful if someone else already has more enmity than themselves but due to the ambiguous wording on the tool tip they choose to not believe me.... usually resulting in several deaths of healer/dps because the tank wont listen to reason


    With a potentially large influx of new tanks in 3.0 with the release of dark knight, I am hoping you might be able to examine this and reword it slightly to prevent some confusion (I also realise it is low priority)
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    Last edited by Mayoyama; 03-13-2015 at 09:08 PM.

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    Yas Ticot
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    Hi,
    I don't know if this can help but this was also discussed on the FR localisation forum (if you understand French) a few weeks ago. The wording was changed to "Vous menacez la cible et vous vous placez en tête de sa liste d'inimitié." which can be translated as "You taunt the target and put yourself on top on its enmity list". The consensus was that talking about max enmity + 1 was too complicated so the localisation team chosed this wording.
    Cheers.
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    Niamh Eleonora
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    Perhaps something like: "Gestures threateningly, making yourself the biggest threat to the enemy for the moment." might work well. Gives you an idea that the effect is fleeting and needs to be followed up with enmity generating skills and doesn't rely on a new player necessarily understanding just how enmity lists work yet.
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    Riepah Redeemer
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    Yes, a tooltip adjustment would be nice. I lost count on how many tanks I had to educate on how Provoke works just because the tooltip is worthless.
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    Misenklauph Drakkfhur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasminou View Post
    Hi,
    I don't know if this can help but this was also discussed on the FR localisation forum (if you understand French) a few weeks ago. The wording was changed to "Vous menacez la cible et vous vous placez en tête de sa liste d'inimitié." which can be translated as "You taunt the target and put yourself on top on its enmity list". The consensus was that talking about max enmity + 1 was too complicated so the localisation team chosed this wording.
    Cheers.
    et Merci pour vous attention de la forum anglais . pardon moi si mon francais est terrible!
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    Last edited by Mishini_Dracoto; 03-14-2015 at 12:19 AM.

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/2237443/]
    Quote Originally Posted by Noni View Post
    I wish more tanks were like you also.
    http://xivreborn.com/gen/Misenklauph_Drakkfhur_Ultros_Classes.jpg

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    The tooltip and usage make perfect sense, if you pay attention to the enmity graph on the party window before and after. Unfortunately, I can't recall a single tutorial that points out that this game even has an enmity graph, so it's actually pretty worthless.
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    Maybe rewording it as:

    Gestures threateningly, drawing the attention of the/an enemy away from another player

    That better gives the idea that it should be used to pull an enemy off another person rather than as an initial threat generator on a pull
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