On the importance of the elder primal, Odin

[Teknoman]

“There are none now alive who know the truth of when or by whom this elder primal was first summoned into the world. ”

I think that a character of such importance to be called elder, should have his own trial or a dungeon with quests centered around him.



I experienced a few small Gridanian quests centered around his release from whatever imprisoned him in the shroud, however for a legendary friend and foe alike that has been central in the universe of many Final Fantasy games, and even featured as a major part of A Realm Reborn's opening cinema, a huge FATE bustling with effects that you can barely see Odin is no place for such a character.

"I am a god amongst men, yet here I stand a man amongst gods."

[Teknoman]

The Behemoth monster has had a chance to at least be re-purposed outside a huge FATE as King Behemoth within the Labyrinth of Ancients, giving players a much clearer look at it and all it's abilities in their glory. Of course that is just a huge beast of no real importance aside from being a historically strong enemy in the Final Fantasy series. Honestly i'd like to know more about Odin, what his purpose is in Eorzea, and why he was summoned. With recent barrier field removals on cursed places such as Amdpor City, shown to be lairs of ancient things such as Diabolos, i'm hoping that we'll see more light shed on Odin soon.

[Kyan]

I'd like to see more story here, too. I feel like Odin has a lot of potential to educate us more on the Allag and Primal Lore, particularly about the mysterious Elder Primals, and that he has been set up with the quests that you've mentioned. He is definitely a loose thread that has yet to be tied down or unravelled, anyways, and there is potential for future information.

Here's to hoping we find answers!

[Akoree]

Well, one of the ways they could be going about this is having him featured as a roaming FATE for release to give him some exposition and eventually adding him as a dungeon boss or a trial/primal fight of his own in a patch. I believe a lot of people would rather have SE do this than keeping him as a FATE with nearly useless items (Body can't be glamour'd and the stats were already lackluster at release) and having him fade away into nothingness.

We'll have to wait and see.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

Honestly, I have a feeling Odin will be tied to the Ruins of Gelmora, as that place looks like a dungeon he would be in.

Secondly, GIEV RUINS OF GELMORA DUNGEON NAO!

[Orophin]

I'd be highly disappointed if there weren't a major story arc involving Odin. He's too iconic to the series to be relegated to only being a FATE boss. I'm wondering if more information about him will be forthcoming after they introduce Ramuh or if it won't be until after the expansion.

I still think he had a hand in Bahamut's severed body. There's a lot unexplained with what happened in that bright light and how Bahamut came to be sealed up in Dalamud's fragments being slowly regenerated by the ancient construct's mechanisms.

[Saikou]

Spoilers for Coils 1 and 2...

There is a theory that there are both physical and aetheric Bahamuts, the latter of which had already been severed by the Allagans before Ragnarok was shot into orbit in order to be used as a solar conduit to power The Crystal Tower. When Nael used the lunar transmitter to call Meteor/Dalamud/Ragnarok down from the sky, he was tempered and started gathering aetheric energy for Bahamut which was channeled towards the artificial satellite. Upon the false moon's fall, Bahamut then manifested in aetheric form much as any of the other primals we have fought. However, he was orders of magnitude more powerful and, in combination with the fall of the lesser moon's shattered remains, reshaped the land. Whether this is innate, due to his size, or a result of having been used as part of a solar energy collection system has yet to be explained. It might be argued that aether-Bahamut's rampage stopped because the physical pieces of him contained in the lesser moon became separated over great distance, causing him to be unable to effectively draw on enough aether to continue his rampage. Binding Coil story seems to indicate that the Allagans had a contingency plan for if The Ragnarok ever fell back down to Hydaelyn. This is evidenced by ADS (The Allagan Defense System), the presence of advanced machina and magitek that still function and attack us, and the fact that Twintania is seemingly bound by a control collar that has turned it into yet another defense system standing in the way of those who would release dismembered Bahamut from his coils.

There are still many answered questions and your theory is certainly and interesting one. We don't know why Bahamut's rampage stopped, and that's as good a theory as any. We also don't know if it is possible for primals to have true physical form. If Elder Primals are not strictly beings of Aether, this opens the door for possibilities not considered. The hubris of the Allagans is demonstrated by the fact that what we call Dalamud was not simply a prison for Bahamut but also a tool by which the Allagans used him.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

I had the feeling that Nael only did what he did BECAUSE he was being tempered by Bahamut.

IIRC, I read somewhere that Ramuh is an elder primal as well? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, I have this feeling that the remains of Bahamut seen in Coils are the physical form that perhaps only elder primals can manifest in (or are originally based in). That perhaps the Louisoix/Nael we see in Turn 1/5 is actually an aetherial manifestation of the physical form. We never really know what happened to Loiusoix after the Calamity event, but from the videos I've seen, it seems like he's become an aetherform, much like King Moggle Mog.

[Saikou]

Spoilers for Second Coil NPC Dialogue:

This is all but confirmed. Alisae believes that this aetherform of Louisoix can be freed from Bahamut if the coils are broken, while Alphinaud believes that this will only loose more calamity upon Eorzea. We are lead to believe that even if their consciousness lives on, the physical bodies of both Nael and Louisoix are quite dead.

[SavageWolf]

Anyone else feel Odin is a little too tiny? I was really surprised the first time I saw his character model.