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  1. #1
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    Yumi_umi's Avatar
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    Yumi Umi
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    Adamantoise
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    Goldsmith Lv 90

    Why do people hate on tanky healers?

    i still heal 840-890 for Cure 1 and 1350-1460 for cure 2. With divine seal on, i heal for about 300-500hp more. But yeah all in all it's pretty awesome being a tank whm as i have noticed that having 5714 hp unbuffed in party ( 5526 hp solo unbuffed ) + stoneskin allows me to eat most things without taking too much damage as it is absorbed by 18% of my max hp. So this allows me to negate stuff like high voltage in turn 2 as i get 0 damage from it and no paralysis lol. But a good thing i do like about this build as well as others , is when the tank ( in a 4 man party ) is absent / d/c. i just go okay lol and tell the other 2 dps to continue with me while i sub in as the tank till we find a replacement. Btw i can manage coil turn 1 and 2 and half of 4 and 5 cuz i don't know the fights as i never had a good static group to learn with.
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    Horaiyo Shirou
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    Malboro
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Are you stacking tank accessories to get more vit or are you using crafted accessories with vit melded on? My response will be different depending on which you’re doing.
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    Tiri Thon
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    Goblin
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Well my cure 1 does almost as much as your cure 2 (in a party), so that could be why.

    And how are you keeping hate when your mitigating all damage? Just overhealing yourself? Well this is inefficient. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I tanked WP as WHM once and it was a lot of fun, but not an ideal situation.

    Also, I have to call BS on you tanking CAD as WHM. Video or it didn't happen. He hits very fast, and hard, so a lot of spells would be interrupted, and I'd say 3 hits and you're dead. Good luck getting a stoneskin off while tanking him. Unless you're saying you're not tanking, you're just going with that high HP for survivability. To which I say, if you know what your'e doing, stop. I have no trouble healing turns 1 and 2 with 4300 hp unbuffed. You are gimping your ability as a healer by making your cures suffer, at the expense of more hp.
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  4. #4
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    Yumi Umi
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    I never meant tanking turn 1 lol etc.
    I meant as i can easily heal my part / do my job with ease in turn 1 and 2 = " i manage "
    And just saying that i have 1 crafted and 4 myth tank accessories. Also probably in 2.2 i'll be able to actually tank caduceus lol with the echo buff pf course XD
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    Wizzed Atria
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    Tonberry
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Because HP != Defense.

    A quick look at my Warrior and Sch, 758 DEF VS 299. You are getting hit so much more even with much HP. Try tanking a mountain buster and see how it goes.
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    M'kael Jin
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    As long as you're not impeding on the success and the ability to have fun of 7 other people, you can do whatever. Anytime you want to do something unconventional, you have to ask yourself two things.

    1. Are you still winning? If not, expect a lot of hate.
    2. Are you holding your own and not forcing the other healer to pick up on your slack? If not, expect a lot of hate.

    With that said, if those are your heal values, you're probably violating 2.
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    Last edited by Lyrinn; 02-25-2014 at 02:03 AM.

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    Kytre Ashaer
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    Gilgamesh
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Sorry OP...but you're gimping yourself and, by extension, your party. Doing crazy things like this with a static is fine...but with randoms? Sure you can heal T1 and T2 as an i70-75 WHM (which is probably what you're equivalent to), but T4 and T5? No way. Joining a T4 group with your gear will probably only get you kicked.

    And there's no way a WHM will be able to tank Caddie even with the buff. You have no physical defense, no defensive CDs and will get one-shotted once the stacks get too high.

    Trying to run with this build is also probably why you can't find a static...
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    A quick look at lodestone reveals that you don't even have Swiftcast. So work on that.
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    Horaiyo Shirou
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    Malboro
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    I think everyone has adequately covered why people have issues with your gear setup, so I’ll just say that if you want higher hp than normal at least use overmelded astral accessories instead of tank accessories. You lose 5 vit compared to tanking accessories, but you gain 9 mind and useful secondary stats. Based on what you said your cure delves average, you’ll need the stats if you want to complete higher level content without being a liability to your group.
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  10. #10
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    Yumi Umi
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    I shall get swiftcast someday lol perhaps 2.2 or something. But yea i can tank a mountain buster too lol
    Also EX mountain busters, i think they hit for less than the ones on HM mode. Dunno if thats true or not ?
    And i usually carry the team as the other healer dies to an aoe or something. But yea i'd never do this for real on the later coil turns.... Unless they make it possible to get more Hp! :^)
    XD i'd love to hit 10k as a whm.
    But back on topic, i don't gimp parties usually as everyone is cool till someone dies to an aoe with full / 90% hp and says heal better whm. I'm like lol i can't heal u if u die that fast lol, technically no1 could. But if die with 70% and lower then thats my fault .
    But its nice to hear ppl on runs when they say thanks for making the run interesting, ur the craziest whm i have ever seen etc.
    but i an eager to see a whm tank turn 1 as you know, stats increase, bosses get nerfed, and so on! :^D
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