Who was Baldric Thorne?

[FJerome]

Baldric Thorne doesn't sound like a Lalafel name, it certainly doesn't sound like a royal Lalafel name, in fact it sounds pretty Hyur, so how did he become Sultan of Ul'Dah?

Was there an explaination for this in 1.0?

[Orophin]

It could be that Ul'dah wasn't always ruled by a Lalafellan regal line.

They used the exact same text as was used during the 2011 event to tell about the legend of how the holiday came to pass. I'm thinking this guy may have been ruling Ul'dah prior to the Ul/Sil families were the ruling families.

[Wolfandre]

Either what Opophin said, or he could have married into the line or been a child of a Hyuran union within the sultanate. We unfortunately don't have any definitive proof that says that Ul'dah was ruled entirely by Lallafels for its entire lifespan.

[Enkidoh]

Well, given the name it's extremely likely this is the same dynasty Momodi mentioned in the early storyline during the Copperbell Mines quest who ordered the mines sealed to trap the hecatonchiers. So yeah, as the name sounds more hyur than lalafell it's obvious that dynasty had no connection to the current ruling line of Ul'dah.

And before you pass judgement about a hyur sultan on the throne in Ul'dah, I remember there was a quote on the original website on the page for Limsa Lominsa from a past Admiral of the Thalassocracy, and her name was clearly a miqo'te - the races of the current rulers of the citystates are therefore not representative of what they always have been. But I digress...

[HumsterMKX]

Not surprising that Ul'dah used to have a hyur Sultan. Lalafells are *please insert anti Lalafell comments along the lines of gil, power hungry and backstabbing.*

Some time alone the way they became Sultans. Just look at their Assassin cults, they have in 1.0.

Well, just look at the royal family in England. Are they the original royal peeps?

[NoloeTazier]

It's reasonable to think that somehow a Hyur (having just come to Eorzea 500 years prior) became a noble in Ul'dah and was allowed to marry into the royal family, possibly to strengthen trading bonds? But for how long did the Thorne Dynasty last? It's quite possible the Great Giant Revolt that happened in 1272 6thA.E. (around the same time as the event's event) could have put pressure on the royal family and brought back the Lalafell line, as shortly (within 100 years at the most) Sasagan Ul Sisigan was sultan during the war with Sil'dih.

[Espon]

What if Baldric Thorne isn't his real name? The image on the event page is clearly of a lalafell. I think it's safe to say that it's his daughter, Edvya. If not, then the doll looks kind of like a lalafell as well.

[Enkidoh]

The lalafell girl in the event picture though seems to be a modern adventurer though, with the smaller girl in her arms the minion of the Princess you get as part of the festival (and the minion's features don't make it easy to tell exactly what her race was) - so take the event artwork with a grain of salt. Either way, it's entirely possible that Ul'dah did have a hyur dynastic line at some point in the past, given the fact that like all the city states, Ul'dah is multiracial and multicultural.

[Kyan]

Whilst I do not disagree with anything Enkidoh is saying, I find the topic interesting. Particularly because of the name of Ul'dah - I assumed it was named Ul because of the long line of sultans from the Ul family, quite possibly dating back to foundation. For another dynasty to occur, did the Ul's get pushed out temporarily? Was the city briefly renamed to Thorne'dah?

Yhan'dah has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

[NoloeTazier]

Whilst I do not disagree with anything Enkidoh is saying, I find the topic interesting. Particularly because of the name of Ul'dah - I assumed it was named Ul because of the long line of sultans from the Ul family, quite possibly dating back to foundation. For another dynasty to occur, did the Ul's get pushed out temporarily? Was the city briefly renamed to Thorne'dah?

Yhan'dah has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

The Sultan/Sultana of Ul'dah does indeed have "Ul" added to their name, funny thing is the Lalafell Naming Conventions says the families also obtain this name but Nanamo's brother Teledji Adeledji does not carry the Ul name. The only history we have, outside of the description on the event pages, is that Great Giant Revolt (1272 6A.E.) happened during the Thorne Dynasty so we know next to nothing about Baldric Thorne or the so called Thorne Dynasty. With the name Dynasty I have to assume that the Thorne's had been in power for several generations and Lalafell can live a very long time. But we do know, timing wise that Baldric Thorne was probably the last of this Dynasty, because the sultan at the time of the war and fall of Sil'dih was Sasagan Ul Sisigan and the timing of Sil'dih's fall was between the year 1272 and 1372. What the Thornes' might have been were a noble family that tossed out the ruling sultan/sultana with the help of a "Syndicate," seizing power and establishing their own rule. Eventually they themselves were done away with and the Ul-name came back into place...after all the Thorne name would be associated with losing the profit that the Giant's provided by digging vast and huge amounts of ore in Copperbell to sell. The Giants revolt and everything the military did failed, the result was them simply caving things in in an attempt to starve and crush the Giants...whom somehow survived anyways. So this failure of leadership is probably why and how the Thorne Dynasty was replaced.