Thread: Anyone not so excited for 2.2 and the future of this game?

I won't be excited for future updates in this game until they add open world endgame content. sky, sea, hnm type stuff. which will likely never happpen. So tired of all this instanced stuff.

Originally Posted by Mihael_Longclaw

If you wanted to grind out Souls for levels, go ahead, but by NO means necessary, neither is upgrading gear and in fact, all the upgrading stones are given to you in the game if you explore hard enough, help the characters and the likes.

If you wanted a Soul Level 120 PvP Build min/maxxed with 73 poise breakpoint, your choice of weapon and whatever gear you like best, sure you can spend some hours grinding away to +15 it, but Dark Souls is always skill + patience + learning > gear + level.

You can beat the game at the lowest of levels, not even using a shield, a little toothpick if you want.

Grinding is 100% optional in those games

From a new player’s perspective:

They indeed lost their bloodstains, many many many times. Since this was the currency used for almost everything in the game, it was indeed necessary for someone to grind out souls in order to level up, buy mosses, buy arrows, shards, etcetera. These are just a few examples of when a new player was almost forced to grind for the sake of progressing in the game.

From an advanced player’s perspective (pve):

You’re right, nothing to see here

From an advanced player’s perspective (pvp):

You had to grind humanity and slabs to be competitive. That’s just the way it was. The optimal builds usually centered around titanite slabs. Sometimes you got one in 5 minutes, sometimes it was 5 hours. You could always go grab some lizards in the great hollow, but if you expected to be competitive, you had to get slabs more often than not. This wasn’t exactly the case before the elemental weapon damage nerf and the DWGR nerf, but in today’s Lordran slabs are necessary to be competitive in a FC environment. Maintaining 99 soft humanity is also STRONGLY advised (thank you MM ).

I understand and agree that patience and skill trumps gear and level progression, but not for newer players. I’ve probably read hundreds of posts from newer players saying how they’re having trouble in Anor, only to find out that they’re using the Drake Sword and have unupgradedgear.

Lastly, you don’t have to grind in this game either, doesn’t mean you’ll be an asset to your group.

PS-Also, why 73 poise? Very strange breakpoint.

Originally Posted by Royze

I haven't played WoW since 2007sh? (what year did WoTLK come out? I played it for 2 weeks, got a DK and quit)
But I am HONESTLY now tempted to start that game.
I actually despised WoW's look and feel. I hated the tackyness of the model designs. It felt like I was playing World of Carebears, ugly reject midgets, booger people and Animal Farm gone wrong.

But I'm fairly certain that it has more to offer than current XIV. and they totally destroyed XI with SoA.
So I might just actually try WoW. The music was pretty cool and hey, There's a decade's worth of content to experience.

1) It has more to offer because it has 10+ years worth of content and had time to evolve
2) I understand you not wanting to play this game due to it's "young state" perhaps down the line when the game has more to offer, it's possible that you may come back to give it another shot.

Originally Posted by zdub303

WoW does not have 10 years of content. Anything that was developed pre expansion has been abandoned and is not experienced regularly by its player base. The only relevant content in WoW is that developed in the most recent expansion, generally released in 2 year intervals.

This is exactly why they are offering fresh new level 90 characters for the new expansion. WoW has the old content, but they themselves admit it isnt worth trodging through.

Originally Posted by Unabaro

There are a lot of aspects I like from FFXIV. I like the very dynamic fights, the environements, the story, etc. I even like dungeons and the Duty Roulette. A dungeon from time to time where you meet new people and get some for of progression quickly without too much hassle.

The only thing I really hate is the vertical progression and I think this is what makes me think FFXI was all gold and pink to my eyes. (While I could list hundreds of pages of flaws...) The diversity of endgame events and equipments gave us a lot to look forward to.

Now, FFXIV is in its very beginning, so I wont compare the two nor judge of the content we have right now. Maybe when we'll have much more content, horizontal progression could be done, but like many of you, it feels like this game will take the vertical progression approach forever. And I don't think I could handle it forever either.

I agree with you. And SE will have to tread lightly (just a smidge) for horizontal gear progression. In all honesty the are somewhat doing it with Coil and CT and Myth even though they are all but equal. A fresh level 50 has some options.

With Horizontal gear progression you will have an outcome of a mix and match Best In Slot (kind of what we have now with Coil and Myth) and gear swapping for certain abilities (which is what "good" players did in FFXI *note I wasnt cool enough to macro swap gear lol*)