Thread: Best in Slot for SMN after 2.1?

Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Few extra critical hits? That's asking for a lot from 1%.

You have to consider that Garuda has his own crit rate (scaled from gear) along with me. His auto-attack is always going off parallel to whatever I happen to be doing. So if the gear would grant me 1 extra critical hit, then I think it's fair to assume it would also grant Garuda 1 extra critical hit as well.

It's [I believe] more than 1% of a crit-rate difference between gearsets. Counting the pants, head, and hero ring, the crit BiS gearset has 71 more crit. (Pants +34, Head +21, Hero Ring +16)

Actually, no. The moment you get that Ruin crit, you've partially caught up to the +1 damage I've accrued over every attack thus far.

You're assuming it's taken over 100 casts for me to get 1 extra crit. (Because the crit would add at least +100 damage compared to a normal ruin.) You're also assuming that your ruins hit higher in the damage window every single time, which is not always true. The same applies to our pets.

It's possible to happen, I agree. But I feel the likelihood of hitting at least one extra one per 100 casts would be worth it.

You also have to take into account that only ruin gets that small +100 damage bonus; fester and enkindle get bigger bonuses and are on longer cooldowns, so an extra crit off one of those abilities is huge.

No. Focusing on Crit "bets" that you will get insanely lucky with crit procs.
Focusing on DTR "bets" that the Crit build will be statistically average or worse*.

I respectfully disagree.


*edit*

Crit set- 496INT, 552Crit, 282 Det, 400SS Det Set- 496INT, 497Crit, 314Det, 400SS SS Set- 492INT, 447Crit, 309DET, 477SS

Your crit set is not optimal (less than 71 more crit than the other set). If you don't have the BiS pieces to compare, then the tests have little value.

Originally Posted by Kalandros

Yea I just can't trust any of these "Simulations", these "theoretically calculated damage results" are just not backed by any precise data as the game itself doesn't give that much info out.
I'll keep going with what I feel is best for me.

So you're saying... you'd rather "trust your feelings", than provable math and simulated rotations that you, yourself, can verify look legit? Ok, that sounds like a great idea. The game gives out precise data, numbers on your screen. Take those numbers, compare them to the given formula. They match? Guess what, now you can prove what is actually better, not what just "feels best".

DTR BiS - 94904

CRT BiS - 94556

CRT BiS w/ Allagan head - 94670

Originally Posted by sackm

how is it possible for the 17 determination from AF2 pants to outweigh the 34 crit from Allagan? Can someone explain how allagan is not BiS?

It isn't. But the reason myth pants are better in that set is because the set drops myth gloves for allagan gloves (which are a lot more damage) and uses myth pants as a means to make up for the lost accuracy. There is no such thing as BiS for an individual slot, because all that matters is the set as a whole. (because of accuracy)

Originally Posted by xxalucard

It isn't, but a lot of people jump on bandwagons & theorycraft math without regard to rotation / class / purpose.

IN reality if you get even 1 more crit from the extra crit rate it would be more DPS than the 17 det. Det is not a guaranteed increase in damage, it's a slight raise to the lower/higher damage window ranges. The actual damage can fall into the same range as someone with less det (or even hit lower than someone with less det) many times throughout a fight.

Only the lowest possible damage hit from both windows would guarantee that more DET is a slight increase in damage, and the same is true for the highest possible hit (within a few damage).

Since both stats are essentially "chance" increases, I rather bet on crit than Det. Though some of the best crit pieces come with det anyway.

Why do you continue to simply outright ignore the math, the only one part of this that can be proven at all? Why do you continue to suggest RNG related reason for why one thing is better than another? You do realize, that over any substantial amount of time, all of this simply averages out, and any scenario you might imagine where RNG goes bad for one set and not for another, is simply NOT a good way to compare what is better than another. You're making very vague generalization about theoretical situations, that if you look at the underlying math (1 point of crit DOES actually average out to be a specific amount of added damage, just like DTR, just like SS, just like INT, just like WD), it can easily prove which stat is better. Take the formula, do the math. DTR is very easily a better stat for average damage added. RNG does not matter. Getting lucky on a crit and not on a couple damage rolls, does absolutely NOT make one stat better or worse than another.

The only bandwagoning going on here is bandwagoning on the side of provable math, which we've lacked for so long.

In reality, the 'old' BiS set (CRT heavy) is almost (within 0.5%) as good as the DTR heavy BiS. There is no reason to argue the merits of CRT in the current SMN itemization. A CRT heavy BiS is just as good as a DTR heavy BiS. But all this vague rationalization going on is doing absolutely nothing to contribute to the conversation, all it does is confuse the issue for people who haven't taken the time to read all the actual proof.