Thread: Best in Slot for SMN after 2.1?

Yea I just can't trust any of these "Simulations", these "theoretically calculated damage results" are just not backed by any precise data as the game itself doesn't give that much info out.
I'll keep going with what I feel is best for me.

Doesn't get much more precise than a precise damage formula when it comes to calculating damage.

how is it possible for the 17 determination from AF2 pants to outweigh the 34 crit from Allagan? Can someone explain how allagan is not BiS?

17 DTR x 34 CRT is not a valid trade.

The other stat matters. What else you are trading if the other stat is acc matters.

So with all your number crunching on stat weights I'm interested in what kind of numbers you're putting up on extreme primals and all the turns of coil. It would dope if we could maintain the credibility of this thread with either videos/parses. I know parses are third party etc so maybe you could link to a google.doc or screenshot of someone elses parser

Originally Posted by sackm

how is it possible for the 17 determination from AF2 pants to outweigh the 34 crit from Allagan? Can someone explain how allagan is not BiS?

It isn't, but a lot of people jump on bandwagons & theorycraft math without regard to rotation / class / purpose.

IN reality if you get even 1 more crit from the extra crit rate it would be more DPS than the 17 det. Det is not a guaranteed increase in damage, it's a slight raise to the lower/higher damage window ranges. The actual damage can fall into the same range as someone with less det (or even hit lower than someone with less det) many times throughout a fight.

Only the lowest possible damage hit from both windows would guarantee that more DET is a slight increase in damage, and the same is true for the highest possible hit (within a few damage).

Since both stats are essentially "chance" increases, I rather bet on crit than Det. Though some of the best crit pieces come with det anyway.

How is 1 crit would be more DPS than 17 DET, when infact based on what you're claiming, 17 DET increase the lowest possible damage and highest possible damage by a constant, while 1 crit, as we all know might not evein increase your CRIT chance by 0.001%. Unless you can provide on how much 1 CRIT can give, then there's no way in hell that 1 CRIT is more than 17 DET.

Originally Posted by xxalucard

IN reality if you get even 1 more crit from the extra crit rate it would be more DPS than the 17 det. Det is not a guaranteed increase in damage, it's a slight raise to the lower/higher damage window ranges. The actual damage can fall into the same range as someone with less det (or even hit lower than someone with less det) many times throughout a fight.

I like how you say that "gambling" on a static increase in damage is risky, but gambling on a 2.3% increased chance to increase damage by less than the alternative is "reliable".

Originally Posted by Thorauku

How is 1 crit would be more DPS than 17 DET, when infact based on what you're claiming, 17 DET increase the lowest possible damage and highest possible damage by a constant, while 1 crit, as we all know might not evein increase your CRIT chance by 0.001%. Unless you can provide on how much 1 CRIT can give, then there's no way in hell that 1 CRIT is more than 17 DET.

I think you misunderstood me here. I meant 1 more critical hit during the fight, not "1 Crit" as an exclusive stat.

The allagan legs, for example, give 34 more Crit than the myth ones. Stacking a significant amount of crit in one gearset over another leads me to believe you will [probably] get at least 1 extra critical hit out of it (as opposed to someone using a non-crit set that focuses spell speed and det).

I believe it's something like ~18 crit to = 1% more crit chance. However, this fact is based on another "theorycraft" formula that others have come up with, so it can and may be incorrect. A source for the outdated formula can be found here where the author found:

Crit Chance % = 0.0693 x CRT – 18.486

While others have criticized me throughout this thread for not having solid numbers, I'd just like to point out that there are no solid numbers besides what you see in combat. I can't say with confidence what the exact amount of a certain stat must be to = 1 damage or 1% of a rate, because no one outside of SE actually knows the real formula.

I'm not sure why exactly they won't just release that info to us (official denial of allowing us to see crit % in the gear window), but that's how it is.

Originally Posted by EasymodeX

I like how you say that "gambling" on a static increase in damage is risky, but gambling on a 2.3% increased chance to increase damage by less than the alternative is "reliable".

It is not a static increase because the way damage works in this game everything hits in a "window range" and is not guaranteed to hit a certain amount in that window.

There is no "gamble" with DET, you're right. It's guaranteed. Well, guaranteed to barely do anything. If someone (and their garuda) gets a few extra critical hits, they will surpass the damage that 51 more DET would "consistently" produce. That is my point.

If I stand next to you on a dummy, and we sit there spamming ruin, the moment I get that extra critical hit I've done more damage than you.

Focusing on DET "bets" that I will be insanely unlucky with crit procs and that it will take so much time for me to hit one that the slight few points of increased damage on the window edges will add up to hundreds of damage more than me before I get one.

This DET focus also bets that garuda will not get an extra crit proc by that time either, or perhaps will end up with less "enhanced pet actions" spell speed procs than the guy with 51 more DET. (Because if garuda procs spell speed more, he will gradually get in more attacks throughout the fight.)

But hey, what do I know.