The problem with allowing Turn 2 Rage strat

[Maelwys]

You do understand that this is basically the first boss fight in MMO history where enraging it on purpose makes it easier right? Did you miss that part?

I wouldn't say it makes it easier, since it makes it considerably slower to complete and you need a rather specific party setup for it to work.

If you want to get into the nitty-gritty details, there is still a gear check on the tank (before the Boss they'll need to be able to withstand not being oneshot with 8 debuff stacks) and the Healers (they need a certain amount of HP to survive the enrage damage before the heals kick in) and a need for some decent means of MP management.

The enrage strategy just makes the boss fight simpler to handle mechanics-wise with a specific party composition. Because you trade having to worry about Silencing, Dodging or passing Allagan Rot around for a Healer gearcheck and staggered Manasong.

(The more recent teams I've been in actually wait until 2-3 clicks remaining to go in and start wailing on the boss. Rot gets passed once between the right people and then they all stack up and let the enrage happen before he hits 50%. Whenever the entire team is stacked up for AoE heals, rot isn't an issue anyway as it automatically passes between the right people. Getting him down to nearly 50% before the enrage hits means that you can build up a Limit Break, bring two tanks again and don't even need Manasong - but ADS' more annoying abilities are avoided/negated and there's no chance of missing a silence in the later stages)

[NeonC]

We wiped two people messing around with this and still beat it. When we lost even 1 DD during normal mode we usually wiped since it screws up the timing on everything.

[LordSaviour]

Maybe this 'enrage' @ 0 Clicks is the way the fight is supposed to be done and everything prior is actually the wrong way to do the fight?

[Peptaru]

Maybe this 'enrage' @ 0 Clicks is the way the fight is supposed to be done and everything prior is actually the wrong way to do the fight?

That'd be hilarious. The FFXIV dev team is sittin around going, "Oh my god, why are they running in there and dealing with all those abilities and rot and all that... what are they stupid? They should just wait for zero. We gave them time to kill the majority of nodes!"

[LordSaviour]

That'd be hilarious. The FFXIV dev team is sittin around going, "Oh my god, why are they running in there and dealing with all those abilities and rot and all that... what are they stupid? They should just wait for zero. We gave them time to kill the majority of nodes!"

Haha, right!!!!

[Camate]

Greetings,

The development team is aware of the strategy that is being used for the Binding Coil of Bahamut Turn 2 against ADS and they do not consider it to be an exploit. There are currently no plans to make any adjustments.

[Bankai305]

Greetings,

The development team is aware of the strategy that is being used for the Binding Coil of Bahamut Turn 2 against ADS and they do not consider it to be an exploit. There are currently no plans to make any adjustments.

Its not an exploit, its bad design. Enrage means if you don't kill it within the allotted time you lose. current ADS enrage means you can bypass all ADS mechanics, take 3 healers and automatically win, so all the work and effort put into ADS mechanics/design is out of the window, and turn 2 has turned into the new turn 3 but with free loot.

Tell developers that they should consider adjusting it not because its an exploit people are taking advantage of, but because ADS is a joke now and the fight mechanics are useless

[C-croft]

Its not an exploit, its bad design. Enrage means if you don't kill it within the allotted time you lose. current ADS enrage means you can bypass all ADS mechanics, take 3 healers and automatically win, so all the work and effort put into ADS mechanics/design is out of the window, and turn 2 has turned into the new turn 3 but with free loot.

Tell developers that they should consider adjusting it not because its an exploit people are taking advantage of, but because ADS is a joke now and the fight mechanics are useless

Don't worry the Dark Devices FATE was not an exploit. But they broke it. :-P

[Alhanelem]

Its not an exploit, its bad design. Enrage means if you don't kill it within the allotted time you lose. current ADS enrage means you can bypass all ADS mechanics, take 3 healers and automatically win, so all the work and effort put into ADS mechanics/design is out of the window, and turn 2 has turned into the new turn 3 but with free loot.

Tell developers that they should consider adjusting it not because its an exploit people are taking advantage of, but because ADS is a joke now and the fight mechanics are useless

Obviously they are aware that people are able to withstand what the community is calling "enrage" and they don't have a problem with it. They know what "enrage" means because they made it that way. Also, while this strategy may be easier on a technical level, any competent party can defeat the boss in considerably less time by utilizing the normal strategy. Personally i'd rather beat it faster than make an already not very difficult fight easier.

[Finuve]

I can't fathom why people want this changed. The fact that this was figured out is fantastic and as long as it is left alone means player ingenuity is celebrated as opposed to being crushed.

Glitches and exploits such as locking a mob from performing actions need to be fixed, but working within mechanics to find alternative solutions needs to be encouraged so that we can escape from the theme park design that is so enforced in modern MMOs.

Multiple solutions is the right way to go.