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    Why Ingenuity I and not Ingenuity II ?

    Hello :3
    I have some crafts at lvl 50, and now im thinking to level blacksmith and carpenter for the skill Ingenuity II and Byregot's Blessing.
    But in all the posts i see people using only Ingenuity I, why ? Isnt better Ingenuity II?
    I'm thinking to level 1rst the BSM to 50 and then CRP to 50, but maybe is better level BSM to 15 and CRP to 50?
    If someone can resolve my doubt could be great

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    Ingenuity I costs 24 CP. Ingenuity II costs 32 CP. For raising quality, Ingenuity I and II are identical. For raising progress, Ingenuity II is better than Ingenuity I, but you can raise your base craftsmanship to the point where Ingenuity I will allow you to fill progress 100% in two Standard Syntheses, same as Ingenuity II. Ingenuity II has its uses when you're using Careful Synthesis II, but otherwise, the extra CP consumed isn't worth it. It's useful enough that you should get it eventually, but if you're just starting out crafting, it'll do to get BSM to 15 and proceed to CRP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XLauncher View Post
    Ingenuity I costs 24 CP. Ingenuity II costs 32 CP. For raising quality, Ingenuity I and II are identical. For raising progress, Ingenuity II is better than Ingenuity I, but you can raise your base craftsmanship to the point where Ingenuity I will allow you to fill progress 100% in two Standard Syntheses, same as Ingenuity II. Ingenuity II has its uses when you're using Careful Synthesis II, but otherwise, the extra CP consumed isn't worth it. It's useful enough that you should get it eventually, but if you're just starting out crafting, it'll do to get BSM to 15 and proceed to CRP.
    Ing I + 2 x Standard Synthesis = 24 + (2 x 15) = 54CP

    Ing II + 3 x Careful Syntheses II = 32 +0 = 32CP

    @OP
    Get your Carpenter up to 50. BB is great for all kind of crafting.
    Then get your BSM to 50. Ing II will save your money from forbidden melding in long run.
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    Last edited by Faeye; 12-06-2013 at 09:23 AM.

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    Ing 1 + 2 Standard Synth = 20 Durability

    Ing 2 + 3 Careful Synth = 30 durability

    That's the main difference.
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    Thanks!

    Thanks guys! And Ingenuity also works with the HQ progress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faeye View Post
    Ing I + 2 x Standard Synthesis = 24 + (2 x 15) = 54CP

    Ing II + 3 x Careful Syntheses II = 32 +0 = 32CP
    So, Ingenuity II is useful if Careful Synthesis II is available and should be made an eventual goal. Like I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    Ing 1 + 2 Standard Synth = 20 Durability

    Ing 2 + 3 Careful Synth = 30 durability

    That's the main difference.
    Right, I forgot to mention that. but wouldn't it require like 360 craftsmanship to finish with Ing1 + 2 Standard Synthesis?
    Scratch that. That was dumb of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XLauncher View Post
    So, Ingenuity II is useful if Careful Synthesis II is available and should be made an eventual goal. Like I said.
    Depends on your craftmenship, you can fall short with carefulII synth even with II.

    Generally speaking you should never need to use ingenuity if you have ingenuity2, because it applies to more then syth, but sometimes CP works out that way. The point is to calculate your CP needs and then work your way to "just enough" sometimes ingenuity is the saving of "just enough".
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    There is no need to finish a 2 star craft in 2 synth's, 3 is perfectly good. For a long time I was HQ'ing 2 stars while finishing in 5 synth's. Ing II has very limited usefulness and is not at all needed, Ing I is great.

    On the other hand, Byregot's is a very important skill to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scarebearz View Post
    There is no need to finish a 2 star craft in 2 synth's, 3 is perfectly good. For a long time I was HQ'ing 2 stars while finishing in 5 synth's. Ing II has very limited usefulness and is not at all needed, Ing I is great.

    On the other hand, Byregot's is a very important skill to have.
    again, depends on craftmenship. There is a range where once you hit that craftmenship, everything magically becomes easier with ingenuity2.

    A 370cp 100% suddenly turns into a 350cp 100% etc. or reverse.... a low craftsmanship becomes totally impossible to possible. (crafting with no AF is a pain without ingenuity2)

    I've had to rely on ingenuity2 on serveral craft with a 275craftmenship because the job wasn't worth AF inventory
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