You can't get into Coil cause they are looking for experienced players only?

[Ecks007]

I'm not leaving my FC just because they are more casual and not everyone is lvl 50 or geared. I'm more than ready to do Coil as well, with 4 mythology (1 body, 3 accessories) and the rest DL, +1 relic. Thing is, I like the people in my casual FC even if they aren't all on endgame and progressing to the coil. (There are a handful that are, but not enough to make a full coil group and we all have different schedules) I'm not going to leave them just to participate in the very last bit of content the game has to offer at the moment.

I also would like to watch the cutscenes on my PC in the game, not ones someone else recorded on YouTube. I'd like to enjoy them at least once before everything turns to all business. I know it puts a restraint on the time limit, but doing it at least once with a new group should be alright. (Of course, this would be agreed upon before hand. And I'm talking about a new group of players like me: geared and can play their job well)

I'm not going to lie to someone just to get a spot, because like the OP stated, when you lie and your inexperience shows (and it will) all you're doing is pissing off other people that were expecting you to pull your weight but in stead you didn't know what to do. I've read strategy for T1 boss fight, and then I watched a video on it.. and even I am dreading it. Looks like a big pain in the ass, and it's only T1.

I joined a pug group once. I learned 1 thing (well a few minor things) that most people in the party were not ready and the ones leading it didn't know how to put a party together. I gave it a shot anyway, the group couldn't even get ADS to 75%hp because we didn't have the right jobs with the right abilities needed. It was a fun attempted the first couple of times, but then it was quite apparent that we didn't have what we needed. And that's my coil experience. So yeah.. never going with random pugs again. Totally not worth it. (unless I know the person organizing it and a few of the others in the group.. never going pug again)

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

Excellent post, NeoAmon.

A note to those who never did Coil but have prior raiding experience in other MMORPG's: say it!

I'm such a player and I can tell you that if you've cleared raids in other games, such as WoW (at least normal difficulty level, not talking about LFR, as for flexible I just don't know) or Rift, chances are you're definitely skilled enough for Coil which (at the notable exception of Turn 5), isn't that hard. So just state your prior experience, it'll give raid recruiters the reassurance they need, knowing you're the kind of player they're looking for.

Also, doing a bit of research isn't a bad idea. When you're commuting from/to work, during your breaks, while waiting for people to answer your shouts, or waiting on your AK/WP DF to pop… Just don't lie your way in saying that you have experience just because you've watched a video, but it certainly helps to have an idea of what you should be expecting (a video helps you know the visual cues and the mechanics, the general proceedings of the fight; and if you really want to know the theory, a written guide will provide very detailed and specific knowledge such as "attack X of boss Y does Z damage to n players every T seconds" and so on). I'd be more favorable to take a pick-up player who says he/she did a bit of research, even just a 2 minutes video, than someone who has no clue and flat out doesn't care. (unfortunately for FFXIV there aren't many videos since SE is taking them down when they're edited with voice, based on their archaic ToS which is totally out of touch with YouTube gaming videos, but that's another topic entirely; you can still find some strategy videos for this game).

On a side-related note, I'm not saying one must do prior research to raid in games; this is just advice to maximise your chance to get a group. I personally prefer to go there and figure out a strategy as we progress, depending on the group (classes etc.), but I usually raid in a static (or like-minded individuals) that I usually organise myself, so I don't need to convince anyone about anything. Should you need to though, it's always a good idea to put as many chances as possible on your side!

And again: don't lie! I'll always prefer an honest newbie who's willing to learn and put effort into something (who's a real team player) than a dishonest lier who won't ever own his/her mistakes and is just not that respectable a person—how could I trust someone who lies to me?

[Ri_ri]

Some people have morals.

Morals of not playing the most important dungeon of the game because of our awesome community.
I've had "morals" for too long (one whole month after gearing up) - if not for my friends taking me in, I'd either quit or lie my way into it.

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So you use "traps" to find a reason to kick the person instead of explaining what they do after they mess up the first time (which, according to you, it's obvious when someone doesn't knows better and causes a wipe).
Nice to see you're so helpful.

[Nura]

Excellent post, NeoAmon.

A note to those who never did Coil but have prior raiding experience in other MMORPG's: say it!



I'm such a player and I can tell you that if you've cleared raids in other games, such as WoW (at least normal difficulty level, not talking about LFR, as for flexible I just don't know) or Rift, chances are you're definitely skilled enough for Coil which (at the notable exception of Turn 5), isn't that hard. So just state your prior experience, it'll give raid recruiters the reassurance they need, knowing you're the kind of player they're looking for.

Also, doing a bit of research isn't a bad idea. When you're commuting from/to work, during your breaks, while waiting for people to answer your shouts, or waiting on your AK/WP DF to pop… Just don't lie your way in saying that you have experience just because you've watched a video, but it certainly helps to have an idea of what you should be expecting (a video helps you know the visual cues and the mechanics, the general proceedings of the fight; and if you really want to know the theory, a written guide will provide very detailed and specific knowledge such as "attack X of boss Y does Z damage to n players every T seconds" and so on). I'd be more favorable to take a pick-up player who says he/she did a bit of research, even just a 2 minutes video, than someone who has no clue and flat out doesn't care. (unfortunately for FFXIV there aren't many videos since SE is taking them down when they're edited with voice, based on their archaic ToS which is totally out of touch with YouTube gaming videos, but that's another topic entirely; you can still find some strategy videos for this game).

On a side-related note, I'm not saying one must do prior research to raid in games; this is just advice to maximise your chance to get a group. I personally prefer to go there and figure out a strategy as we progress, depending on the group (classes etc.), but I usually raid in a static (or like-minded individuals) that I usually organise myself, so I don't need to convince anyone about anything. Should you need to though, it's always a good idea to put as many chances as possible on your side!

And again: don't lie! I'll always prefer an honest newbie who's willing to learn and put effort into something (who's a real team player) than a dishonest lier who won't ever own his/her mistakes and is just not that respectable a person—how could I trust someone who lies to me?

That is kind of Insulting young man.

I told the First Coil Groupe I was Experienced because I watched a Guide but that doesn't give me experience. We did it till turn 4 with only 3 wipes in Turn 2 and saying that I am dishonest and untrustfull just because I didn't told them I never went personally into Coil is Insulting to anyone who did it that way.
You have no chance going into coil if you have no experience because noone wants you. Nice that this is no Problem on your world but try it on Odin. You will never get a Group without telling them you are experienced. Well I don't need pugs anymore we got enough together for a 4th Coil Groupe in our FC but even if not. I would still do coil and I would still be good at it. And I am for gods sake not dishonest and not a liar.

[NeoAmon]

Morals of not playing the most important dungeon of the game because of our awesome community.
I've had "morals" for too long (one whole month after gearing up) - if not for my friends taking me in, I'd either quit or lie my way into it.
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You are on my server and I know a lot of Coil groups who would tell ya skills > experience. I actually do know for a fact myself and many others don't mind spending 10-15 minutes before each turn explaining the whole thing, then help the new player correct his/her mistakes if any arise. You are assuming our community is bad and bunch of elitist loot whores jerks. I assure you it is far from the truth.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

That is kind of Insulting young man.

I told the First Coil Groupe I was Experienced because I watched a Guide but that doesn't give me experience. We did it till turn 4 with only 3 wipes in Turn 2 and saying that I am dishonest and untrustfull just because I didn't told them I never went personally into Coil is Insulting to anyone who did it that way.
You have no chance going into coil if you have no experience because noone wants you. Nice that this is no Problem on your world but try it on Odin. You will never get a Group without telling them you are experienced. Well I don't need pugs anymore we got enough together for a 4th Coil Groupe in our FC but even if not. I would still do coil and I would still be good at it. And I am for gods sake not dishonest and not a liar.

I'm sorry I didn't mean to be insulting but look at the facts: you admit to lie and then claim to have been truthful and not having lied? That's a flat out contradiction! There's just no debate here… (Also I'm not saying dishonest in a way near as bad as in "stealing purses from old people", I say that in a much lighter way —I'm french and english is my second language, so perhaps the word is too strong to describe a lie, I don't know; if it is then I'm sorry, and would like to know the correct word).

All I know is that people who lie about something are likely to lie about other things—"no I didn't do that mistake", etc. In my experience, shyness or fear can make people lie (in which case they're not necessarily dishonest people, it's not black and white, they're just frightened individuals who feel peer pressure and should be reassured), but a lie is a lie, and lying isn't a behaviour qualifiable as "truthful", I'm sorry, it's a fact.

Now, I understand —I really do—given the level of jerkiness in this game that you felt you had to lie. I also can see how some players are good enough to make such a lie go unnoticed but, as someone said in another thread: remember that it's very far from the norm.

Read that OP, he gets it. That's how I behave in games, in raiding, in my social interactions. (I made a post there as well, #11, states my opinion about it). I expect no less from others, and those who don't (jerks on one side, liars on the other), I simply don't wish to play with them. Lying your way in or not owning your mistakes is no way to be a team player in my humble opinion.

So I stand by my rhetorical question: how can I trust someone who lies to me? Really?

[Luso]

Make your own group for coil. Make some friends from other dungeons/FATEs and as them if they are interested in joining a coil group.

[Ri_ri]

You are on my server and I know a lot of Coil groups who would tell ya skills > experience. I actually do know for a fact myself and many others don't mind spending 10-15 minutes before each turn explaining the whole thing, then help the new player correct his/her mistakes if any arise. You are assuming our community is bad and bunch of elitist loot whores jerks. I assure you it is far from the truth.

That's how everyone wish it would be, but it isn't.
I've tried to join a few groups for T1 but never managed it. Put in the effort, geared, ready to roll, but say you've not yet done it and you won't get a response.

It's way too easy to dismiss the problem when you don't have it. Then again, I don't either; but I'll not say to anyone refrain from joining groups because they lack "experience" as I know how frustrating and demotivating it is.
This is WoW's "Link achievement" all over again. Except this time you can actually play the game by lying.

I suppose the "honest" option is starting a new group and hope people won't just quit after the first two or three wipes, like frequently happens on Titan pre-mades.

[ispano]

So you use "traps" to find a reason to kick the person instead of explaining what they do after they mess up the first time (which, according to you, it's obvious when someone doesn't knows better and causes a wipe).
Nice to see you're so helpful.

I see no problem really. The person LIED to get in in the first place, that was disrespectful to the ENTIRE 7 other people.

[allluckys]

Easy way in lie you'll do terrible and maybe even get kicked but you'll get experience and in the next pug you'll do better. If people are pugging it's their own fault. Watch videos before hand it helps in putting fights together faster so you destroy fewer coil runs as you gain experience.