"Pull Everything" in Dungeon Parties

[Neophyte]

Lel @ "You pull, you tank it".

Wanna have Shirk/Shadewalker battle? xD

Anyway, playing tank myself often enough... lettingsomeone die just because you can is just bad tanking.
Ye, the dps might be not in the right there. Still, bad tank with victim mentality.

I mean, really?
"I will stop smart playing and instead of keeping the new adds together I'll let the dps die and then grab the adds from the healer who is sooooo glad to have to rezz someone (because, maybe, he wants to just get the enemies down at some point and doesnt care about ego battles?)."
Hurr durr, i am good tank.


Also, even if you can't handle the pull then.. if you're not in a hurry why is a wipe because some1 overestimated the tanks/healers capabilities that bad? "It's just 5 minutes more."
And If we wipe I can still blame him.

I rather tell a fantasy tale about that stupid rogue who I had to save from certain death than the tale of me putting my finger in the nose while letting some stupid person die.

[Aquaslash]

Half the time, I have a hard enough time managing mob packs as it is. Especially in Bardam's Mettle onwards where they start hitting like trucks and I don't have the greatest gear. If you grab an additional enemy you will tank it alone and I'll be sure to not hit it with any aoe skills.

Like it's one thing if I have an all mage party. I'll pull whole rooms then; but two melees, especially 2 DRGs? Nah. You're getting packs daisy chained and you'll learn to like it!

[Nikolas]

I usually pull one group at a time because I like small pulls. When people want more, I ignore them. When they pull more on purpose, I let them sweat it out a little. They are more than able to kick me and wait for another tank, but I guess they figure the 2-3 extra minutes the dungeon may take is better than waiting another 20 minutes for another tank. Sometimes they get a little fussy and start insulting me, but I'm not 7 so insults from nameless and faceless people in a video game I will probably never encounter again don't bother me.

[Eldevern]

Players who want big pull seem to imagine we all play tank as main and then we necessary have the last highest gear. What if not? They forget this is not only a matter of keeping enimity but damages we and healer can handle.

[silverlunarfox]

Communication is amazing and more people should try it before being a jerk and pulling. Like when I ran with a friend last night who said, sure go ahead pull more, so i happily obliged. I trusted he knew what he was doing when he was healing me.

The issue is randoms feel like they don't need to communicate and communicate through pulling before I do.

That's when death happens. I don't care how many circles you run around me with the mob. You pull? You keep.

[silverlunarfox]

Anyway, playing tank myself often enough... lettingsomeone die just because you can is just bad tanking.

Because pulling is good dpsing/healing? Nah...If they want to kill the mob so bad, they can kill it. I used to care about people who did that and would still catch the aggro on that mob, then as I mained tanking, I stopped caring. Because so many people do it....You just lose a bit of your soul each time. Eventually....a person runs out of shits to give....

[Fynlar]

Anyway, playing tank myself often enough... lettingsomeone die just because you can is just bad tanking.

If making a stand over people who think they're qualified to make pulls despite not being the tank makes me a bad tank, then sign me up, I guess.

Most people that aren't bucketheads seem to think I tank just fine for the most part, though.

[Faliandra]

That's when death happens. .

So what if death happens? You learn most from trial and error.

Gosh y'all act like theres actually any consequences for wiping/dying.

Do you feel any rl pain if you die in the game? or is it cos a wipe makes the dungeon take longer when your baby pulls are the no. 1 thing that make em take longer than neccessary in the first place?

Remember when in some old school MMORPGs you lost like 2-4% of your exp progress every time you died? Cos I do, and those 2-4% took like 2 hours to farm. So THAT was painful.
Nowadays? What consequences do I get from wiping? A weakness debuff that lasts what....90 seconds? Oh noes. /panic

Players who want big pull seem to imagine we all play tank as main and then we necessary have the last highest gear. What if not? They forget this is not only a matter of keeping enimity but damages we and healer can handle.

I dont main tank, its the least played class by me and this game is the first game where I even ever touched one. Can we please stop pretending like its hard to remember a few common sense rules like turning bosses away from the rest of the party
and trying to gather your pulls close enough so they get hit by AoEs? And then acting up on it and like, spam a couple flash/overpower/unleash to keep hate + pushing a few cooldown buttons?

Dungeons arent hard. no matter your role. Big pulls only do one thing: They make you use more of your resources, ultimately making you a better player. It does NOT matter if you wipe while you learn.

[Ashewalker]

Yes, I'm not ever worried about speed I'm worried only on health. I see it drop very fast at times. I'm not going to call anyone out, I've dealt with very good tanks. However, could you maybe pull some smaller pulls, especially when it's my first time there. I realize you are confident in your ability. However, I may not be ready with all of the cd's your typical healers are throwing out. It's better safe than sorry as they say, and a slightly slower run might be more fun while many of us are gearing up.

Actually i meant this as if i go on slow pace^^ but yeah, i understand what you mean, i'm a mentor after all and i take it seriously, soon as i see someone that is bonus to a dungeon i explain every boss and slow pull.

My favorite explanation is with Bardam's Mettle dungeon second boss, is just "Have you seen DBZ abridged? Yes? Then all you need to do is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODGE"

[silverlunarfox]

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I think you misunderstand. When I say then death happens, that person who decided to be a pompous jerk is dead. I scoop up the mob and me and the rest of the party, party on. It has nothing to do with trial and error when someone makes the choice to pull ahead of the tank.

There is a consequence for dying. It's called gee thanks for wasting more time than a small pull wouldve wasted since time is everything to the impatient people. So they pull more, which just ends up in more death, then they DC when they realize that the dungeon is going nowhere.... I had a DRK do that the other day. Couldn't be bothered to use cooldowns, repeatedly died due to no fault of our whm. then DC'd....cool....I guess....

So there are consequences, its just what you view as a consequence. For me mostly, its losing just a bit more of my soul, that I'm surprised there is anything left at this point.... -.-