General DD Gear?

[Arcon]

He's not correct about the highest number proccing first. It's Triple Attack -> Double Attack -> Occasionally Attacks of all varieties. If anything, Occasionally Attacks procs in order of lowest to highest (thus explaining the decreasing probability of higher N-hits observed in most distributions).

For buffs, it does actually go from higher to lower (and that's including traits, Atma and gear). Even Quadruple Attack from Twilight Knife will proc before Triple Attack, before Double Attack. OAX weapons are just different, apparently.

[Byrth]

It hasn't actually been shown that Quadruple Attack procs before Triple and Double, but we assume it to be true. Yeah, OAX weapons are different in kind of the worst way possible. D:

[Linh]

Thanks for all the replies!

I mainly played PLD and MNK, so forgot about the Store TP and 5/6 hitter combos. Re adjusted the equip a little to accomodate that, tell me what u all think!

Main: Kunlun +2 (Occasionally Attack 2-4x Great Axe)
Sub: Rose Strap
Ammo: White Tathlum
Head: Zelus Tiara
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
Ear1: Brutal Earring
Ear2: Moonshade Earring (ACC 4/Regain)
Body: Ravager's Lorica +2
Hands: Ravager's Mufflers +2
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Hoard Ring
Back: Tactical Mantle
Waist: Goading Belt
Legs: Ravager's Cuisses +2
Feet: Ravager's Calligae +2
Food: Carbonara (Store TP 6 for 5 hit)

[Byrth]

You're still using one of the worst weapons available to us. Compare it to the 8 DA (D118) GAxe, for instance, because they have the same delay:

D55, 2 Attacks per round (12.85 DPS) with your gear and no Atma
vs.
D118, 1.33 Attacks per round (18.32 DPS, +42%) with your gear and no Atma

TP gain is higher with the OA2-4, but TP overflow is a serious issue too, so it doesn't come anywhere close to the +50% WS frequency you'd predict.


Also, what kind of X-hit are you going for? It looks to me like you're just throwing STP everywhere while using one of the highest delay GAs in the game. 14 TP/hit base, 5-hit requires about 43 STP. You have ~59 including /SAM. Leave Tactical Mantle in your safe, switch food to Red Curry Buns, change neck to Ravager's Gorget and you can do whatever you want in your WS gear safely. If you don't need the extra STP, switch White Tathlum to Ravager's Orb.

[Linh]

You're still using one of the worst weapons available to us. Compare it to the 8 DA (D118) GAxe, for instance, because they have the same delay:

D55, 2 Attacks per round (12.85 DPS) with your gear and no Atma
vs.
D118, 1.33 Attacks per round (18.32 DPS, +42%) with your gear and no Atma

TP gain is higher with the OA2-4, but TP overflow is a serious issue too, so it doesn't come anywhere close to the +50% WS frequency you'd predict.


Also, what kind of X-hit are you going for? It looks to me like you're just throwing STP everywhere while using one of the highest delay GAs in the game. 14 TP/hit base, 5-hit requires about 43 STP. You have ~59 including /SAM. Leave Tactical Mantle in your safe, switch food to Red Curry Buns, change neck to Ravager's Gorget and you can do whatever you want in your WS gear safely. If you don't need the extra STP, switch White Tathlum to Ravager's Orb.

I was /tossing on all that STP is cuz I planned to go /NIN. The Carbonara is needed to obtain 43 STP. I didn't do much endgame content pre-Abyssea, so I'm jus operating under the general assumption that all DD's should sub NIN for extra protection from AOE physicals and single tier nukes.

I don't know the dynamics of endgame outside of Abyssea, cept for Sky since i did the Gods (cept Kirin) regularly as PLD. Is WAR/SAM not an issue for the healer?

[Byrth]

It is my general experience that situations where WAR/SAM is an issue because of healing, WAR/NIN is also an issue. No useful passive defenses and PDT/MDT only gets you so far. Shadows aren't so much better than Seigan/Third Eye that they make the difference in most situations.

[Babekeke]

90 MNK. 90 BLM. 90 COR.

All POST-Abyssea LEECHED and proud of it.

Doesn't even mention WAR. Is the sig old, or do you not even have war 90 yet? Or did you have war pre-abyssea so left it out of that sig?

[Leonlionheart]

If you want to be completely optimal:

Subjob: Samurai (No point in ever going NIN, if you're dying in abyssea its because you don't know how to use seigan and third eye)
Atma: Razed Ruins/Sanguine Scythe/Apocalypse
Main: Ukonvasara
Sub: Claymore Grip
Ranged: none
Ammo: Ravager's Orb
Head: Zelus Tiara
Neck: Ravager's Gorget
Ear1: Ravager's Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Armada Hauberk(ONLY WITH STP+5~6, DA+2, ELSE: USE ASKAR, or AF3+2)
Hands: Ravager's Mufflers +2(Or Perle Hands with restraint down)
Ring1: Blitz (Keen ring or demonry ring with perle hands restraint down)
Ring2: Rajas
Back: Atheling
Waist: Goading
Legs: Ravager's Cuisses +2
Feet: Ravager's Calligae +2
Food: Red Curry Bun /+1

The math is out there to show that there is absolutely nothing better than this in terms of overall damage output. This will and DOES out perform everything else in the game, including SAM, including BLM, including EVERYTHING.

[Arcon]

If you want to be completely optimal [..]

Inside Abyssea.... arguably. Define "out there" please (and a link, if you happen to have it handy).

[Gokku]

If you want to be completely optimal:

Subjob: Samurai (No point in ever going NIN, if you're dying in abyssea its because you don't know how to use seigan and third eye)
Atma: Razed Ruins/Sanguine Scythe/Apocalypse
Main: Ukonvasara
Sub: Claymore Grip
Ranged: none
Ammo: Ravager's Orb
Head: Zelus Tiara
Neck: Ravager's Gorget
Ear1: Ravager's Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Armada Hauberk(ONLY WITH STP+5~6, DA+2, ELSE: USE ASKAR, or AF3+2)
Hands: Ravager's Mufflers +2(Or Perle Hands with restraint down)
Ring1: Blitz (Keen ring or demonry ring with perle hands restraint down)
Ring2: Rajas
Back: Atheling
Waist: Goading
Legs: Ravager's Cuisses +2
Feet: Ravager's Calligae +2
Food: Red Curry Bun /+1

The math is out there to show that there is absolutely nothing better than this in terms of overall damage output. This will and DOES out perform everything else in the game, including SAM, including BLM, including EVERYTHING.

this is correct i use Maschu +2 and the same gear my ukko's range from 3000-8000. though i change my grip out inside / outside of abyssea. * pole strap for 2% DA*
just to explain thats a 6 hit 26% haste Ukon and a 5 Hit after Ws Maschu+2 Set. with about 30% DA before atmas come into play.