[dev1017] Zanshin Attacks and chat log

[TheDirtyHobo]

pretty much sams going to have a 90% double attack chance in Abyssea now. yay. also your bad luck with WS's is from that 5% base evasion rate a monster will always have. you could drop a nuclear warhead inside of their anus, and they could still have a 5% chance to evade it.

Assuming this setup:
15% TA (Apoc atma)
25% DA (10 /war, 5 brutal, 3 atheling, 2 pole grip, 5 VV atma)
45% Zanshin (base SAM main rate if wiki isn't lying, no merits)

If Zanshin can only proc exclusively against DA/TA, and checks last:
Multihit rate = (15%) + ((1-15%) * 25%) + ((1-((1-15%)+(1-15%)*25%))*45%) = .15 (TA) + .2125 (DA) + .287 (Zanshin) = ~65%
Attacks per round = 1 + (.15 * 2) + (.2125 * 1) + (.287 * 1) = 1 + .3 + .2125 + .287 = 1.7995

If Zanshin can only proc exclusively against DA/TA, and check first:
Multihit rate = (45%) + ((1-45%) * 15%) + ((1-((1-45%) + (1-45%) * 15%)) * 25%) = .45 (Zanshin) + .0825 (TA) + .117 (DA) = ~65%
Attacks per round = 1 + (.45 * 1) + (.0825 * 2) + (.117 * 1) = 1.732

If Zanshin can proc mutually with DA/TA, but only on the first hit:
Multihit rate = (15%) + ((1-15%) * 25%) + ((1-((1-15%)+(1-15%)*25%))*45%) = .15 (TA) + .2125 (DA) + .287 (Zanshin) = ~65%
Attacks per round = 1 + (.15 * 2) + (.2125 * 1) + .45 = 1.9625

If Zanshin can proc mutually with DA/TA, on any of the hits:
Multihit rate = (15%) + ((1-15%) * 25%) + ((1-((1-15%)+(1-15%)*25%))*45%) = .15 (TA) + .2125 (DA) + .287 (Zanshin) = ~65%
Attacks per round = (1 + (.15 * 2) + (.2125 * 1)) * 1.45 = 2.19

Honestly, case 1 or 3 seems the most likely. No matter what, you aren't hitting anything like 90% multihit rate total, let alone DA rate, but you are close to averaging 1.9 swings/round.

Edit: Corrected with the info below. Thanks for pointing it out.

[hiko]

you did a little mistake :1 + .3 + .2125 + .287 = [strike]1.8995[/strike] 1.7995

will try to test unkai sugemino/domaru+2 enhance zanshin, but if sugemino is +5% it beat atheling in 1st case (need less to beat it in other case)

for test i was thinking hiting Om'hemped with signet staff (no skill)

[hiko]

parsing on fortalice
0 zanshin merit,0DA, sam/dnc unkai back :
3697 mele round
1496 +1 round
2937 missed on first attck
1496 da with miis first
=>50.93% zanshin rate

base zanshin 45%, back seems to be +5%
unkai will beat atheling

(edit with bigger number)

[hiko]

test with domaru+2 and sugemino and ace's
Missed First Attacks # DA w/Missed First Possible Zanshin %
2790 1762 63,15 %

body=+10-15%..

parsing with body only next

(need to get earring now)

edit: geared with haste to speed it a little but didnt notice gloves had zanshin
match with +10 body and +3 gloves (from ryozen test)

[hiko]

body only

# Missed First Attacks # DA w/Missed First Possible Zanshin %
3723 ___________________ 2111 _____ 56,70 %


>10%

[Laraul]

Stupid request, but I wonder if it would be possible to make a difference in the chatlog between regular attacks and zanshin attacks? For example

Zhronne's attack hits the Ramponneau for 234 damage.
Zhronne's zanshin attack hits the Ramponneau for 228 damage.

This way the chatlog would let us see the difference between these two different attacks and would make it easier for us to make a better evaluation of the impact Zanshin has on our overall performance.

Well you're never going to see the above since Zanshin only activates when you MISS. Really... it's not that hard to tell when it activates...

What FFXI needs is a more condensed log... not more...

Skillchains, Magic Bursts, Critical Hits, etc are so hard to see in the log when the occur. I'll leave this for another thread but so much junk fills the log so quickly.

[hiko]

Well you're never going to see the above since Zanshin only activates when you MISS. Really... it's not that hard to tell when it activates...

What FFXI needs is a more condensed log... not more...

Skillchains, Magic Bursts, Critical Hits, etc are so hard to see in the log when the occur. I'll leave this for another thread but so much junk fills the log so quickly.

read update notes

Samurai

A new job ability that readies its target for a skillchain will be added.
The effectiveness of the job trait Store TP will increase at level 90 instead of 91.
The job abilities Hasso and Seigan will be refined as follows:

Hasso

Hasso will now occasionally trigger Zanshin even after landing a normal attack.
Seigan

The likelihood that Seigan will cause Third Eye to counter an anticipated attack will be augmented with a bonus based upon the player's Zanshin attack rate.

[Ryozen]

parsing on fortalice
0 zanshin merit,0DA, sam/dnc unkai back :
3697 mele round
1496 +1 round
2937 missed on first attck
1496 da with miis first
=>50.93% zanshin rate

base zanshin 45%, back seems to be +5%
unkai will beat atheling

(edit with bigger number)

Mind sharing your testing method for this? What weapon were you using, and how are you counting the misses/double attacks?

[hiko]

signet staff (dmg1, no staff skill as sam/dnc) on zvahl fortalice
using kparser1.5.13

[Ryozen]

Cool. Thanks.

I don't suppose you have a Katana Strap?