Why is Guarding just so...bad?

[Leonlionheart]

Or, when the mob readies it's TP move, you can, I don't know... just run out of range and take essentially zero damage?

lol because every TP move has a 5 second readying stage...

Unlike all the strong physical TP moves used in FFXI.

[Greatguardian]

Looks like you underestimate the power of Guard...

honest answer: Guard actually blocks physical WSs too, completely nullifying damage. So 55% would be way too much in actuality. Not only that but Guard cuts down pDIF by 1.0, meaning it would actually reduce damage over time by huge, huge, huge amounts when stacked with an easily obtainable high PDT set. Against mobs that you can't counter against (Iron giants, Shinryu, high accuracy/evasion enemies) this ability would probably make MNK invincible.

So really it could be useful, though not in Abyssea, and probably overpowered outside Abyssea.

I'd find it niche at best, mainly for NMs like Shinryu and Ironclads where countering just is not an option. Perhaps it would be more viable if there were more mobs/NMs where countering wasn't viable, but at the moment are there really that many with Acc/Eva high enough to throttle counter rates low enough for this to be more beneficial than simply Counterstance-tanking?

Guardstance also severely cuts into Mnk's offensive output by eliminating counter damage (which in turn affects their defense, fight lasts longer, etc). Do we really need to turtle that badly? May as well just come Paladin if things are that nasty.

[Leonlionheart]

I'd find it niche at best, mainly for NMs like Shinryu and Ironclads where countering just is not an option. Perhaps it would be more viable if there were more mobs/NMs where countering wasn't viable, but at the moment are there really that many with Acc/Eva high enough to throttle counter rates low enough for this to be more beneficial than simply Counterstance-tanking?

Guardstance also severely cuts into Mnk's offensive output by eliminating counter damage (which in turn affects their defense, fight lasts longer, etc). Do we really need to turtle that badly? May as well just come Paladin if things are that nasty.

I'm not a dev, just throwing out ideas.

Instead maybe:

Perfect Guard: 1min (Shared with Perfect Counter). Guard the next 3 hits, but makes you unable to counter them.

I can see that allowing MNK to tank to some extent outside abyssea even more than it already can.

[Peldin]

Guardstance also severely cuts into Mnk's offensive output by eliminating counter damage

Severely cuts in to our offensive output? Perhaps you severely overestimate the damage we do with counters. Unless you are fighting a mob that uses Hundred Fists or has high tripple attack rate, Counter doesn't do much over 2% of our total damage.

[Cream_Soda]

Guard actually blocks physical WSs too, completely nullifying damage.

Actually, it doesn't. It'll say the move missed in the chat log, but you'll still take damage from the attack, reduced damage of course, but damage.

There's no reason to want a high guard rate at the exchange of a 0% counter rate.

[Greatguardian]

Severely cuts in to our offensive output? Perhaps you severely overestimate the damage we do with counters. Unless you are fighting a mob that uses Hundred Fists or has high tripple attack rate, Counter doesn't do much over 2% of our total damage.

2%? I must be doinitwrong.

[Leonlionheart]

Actually, it doesn't. It'll say the move missed in the chat log, but you'll still take damage from the attack, reduced damage of course, but damage.

There's no reason to want a high guard rate at the exchange of a 0% counter rate.

My mistake, either way I'm just throwing out ideas. Still, no other ability other than pure physical damage taken-, sentinel and phalanx reduces the damage of physical enemy TP moves.

[Cream_Soda]

You can shield tp moves, too. Also plain regular defense lowers it as well >.>

Not like its anything special

[Leonlionheart]

You can shield tp moves, too. Also plain regular defense lowers it as well >.>

Not like its anything special

That's why you don't gear for it, but if you had it 100% for a certain number of hits...

idk man I'm just throwing out ideas to make guarding useful at all D:

[Cream_Soda]

Up its proc rate through JT or naturally. It shouldn't need a job ability to make it useful.