Nin are better tanks now?

[vajral]

mnk whm blm it's a trio, not a duo
nin whm blm is grellow nearly guaranteed all week long /joy, and it saves inventory space

[Faule]

But you're touting 10 weapon skills that Ninja can perform spread across a lengthy amount of time.
10 out of 59 possible blue weapon skills.

Whereas all of Monk's land in blunt time.
And Monk can perform all but two. 16 possible weapon skills (17 if /WAR) out of 18.

The very nature of Ninja's blue procs widen the spectrum of when it can use them. Because Monk's procs are contained within Blunt, as long as you're hunting during Blunt they win.

mnk whm blm it's a trio, not a duo

Yes you're right it's a duo. But I never said it wasn't a duo. You brought up NIN + BLM compared to MNK + WHM. Which isn't an adequate comparison. I was trying to illustrate that a MNK + WHM can have the exact same Grellow procs as a NIN + WHM.

[vajral]

i've been told grellow can occur even as a sub, but to be honest i never saw it
maybe it's just because i'm tanking EVERY nm
and i really think mnk/nin cannot land kurayami and hojo, correct me if i'm wrong

[vajral]

and i was also saying that a nin needs no whm to be kept alive, dunno if mnk + blm is a viable option

[Faule]

Kurayami as a subjob can land. If you have trouble I've had no problem getting it to land as MNK/NIN COR/NIN PUP/NIN etc, with the use of Ascetic's Tonic (easily obtained in abyssea). As well as Grellow procs from the elemental Ninjutsu.

And I wouldn't be caught dead saying

that a nin needs no whm to be kept alive

I'm sure my WHM's would gladly let me die just to prove a point.

On lesser NM's the difficulty isn't high enough to warrant a WHM, sure. Or if you're /DNC your survivability also rises. Though I don't think I would go so far as to say that WHM's aren't necessary.

[vajral]

a blm is usually more than enough, expecially if going /dnc

[Mojo]

NIN + BLM vs MNK + WHM is a fair comparison in many situations. BLM is rarely adequate support for a MNK, but it is often adequate support for a NIN. So if you're intent on duoing, especially for AF3+2 items, then NIN is much better for this not only because of Ruby procs but also more Amber procs due to the conversion of a WHM to a BLM.

My team of friends is usually NIN WHM BLM. This is very efficient for nearly every activity in the game. If there is a situation where we want Azure procs, I simply switch to MNK after farming the pop set probably on NIN.

[vajral]

NIN + BLM vs MNK + WHM is a fair comparison in many situations. BLM is rarely adequate support for a MNK, but it is often adequate support for a NIN. So if you're intent on duoing, especially for AF3+2 items, then NIN is much better for this not only because of Ruby procs but also more Amber procs due to the conversion of a WHM to a BLM.

My team of friends is usually NIN WHM BLM. This is very efficient for nearly every activity in the game. If there is a situation where we want Azure procs, I simply switch to MNK after farming the pop set probably on NIN.

THAT is a good move

[Juxtaposition]

Wow. There are a lot of bad players in this thread.

I want my PLD tank back!
/rant

If I wanted a melee to not hold hate and do no damage, I'd invite a PUP.

i usually duo with a blm, we proc yellow and red 90% of the times

No, you proc grellow 62% of the time, or 42~54% of the time on Lightningday, Lightsday, or Darskday.

You proc red 69% of the time, 76% if you have the event polearm, but I'm willing to bet you don't.

...with stun and violent flourish i hardly take any dmg, hate reset is not an issue, just throw a hyoton san.

WAIT, never mind, your red proc rate plummeted to 38%. Subbing DNC should be a last resort option only, and only, only, only if your other duo buddy is a WAR.

i actually found myself doing blue procs more often with a club or dagger than with my katana

Great, the stars aligned and you managed to proc blue on Briareus which is completely worthless, save 10 seconds of Amnesia. For things that you are actively building popsets for blue trigger items, you are going to bring a MNK and a WHM during blunt o'clock. Don't spread your ignorance that NIN > MNK when it comes to blue procs.

i've been told grellow can occur even as a sub, but to be honest i never saw it
maybe it's just because i'm tanking EVERY nm
and i really think mnk/nin cannot land kurayami and hojo, correct me if i'm wrong

You're wrong.

a blm is usually more than enough, expecially if going /dnc

Don't gimp yourself by going /DNC. You are wasting everyone else's time by not proccing red and by killing slowly.

[wish12oz]

epic post of win

I was just about to say most of that! (`ヘ´)