Concerns about SCH.

[Aaralyn]

Utsusemi: Ni.

Thank you.

Merton, doing that in the LS I'm in wouldn't cut it. If I see an NM readying a TP move that would hurt a lot, then I would cast Cure V or VI so the SS would soften the blow, then cure up however much damage they received. Because of that, there have been times where I've had to use Cure IV because I used Cure V or VI for the SS, after having used one or the other for when shadows are down (our MNK tanks come sub /WAR, is that normal?). Apademak for example.

We also have 2 to 3 DDs at least on everything after procs, instead of just one. Both my friend and I keep auspice up. We both full time Orison Bliaud +2 except for curaga's. It's just the way this LS is. Spamming Cure V and VI would indeed be boring. Her and I don't mind having to tank occasionally. We have -PDT sets and -MDT sets. We've never died during the times we've had to tank. So no harm.

Sometimes, we even have to cast Curaga III and IV!

[Merton9999]

If they're using a Tranquil Heart job trait to allow for a Cure V enmity behavior difference in the jobs, wouldn't the May 9 change to job traits (they can now be extended beyond their previous max with gear, spells and other job abilities) allow for the -50% cap break?

[Merton9999]

I can see examples where you'd need to throw a Cure IV just because it's another Cure that isn't down. My question would be how this is happening so often that you pull hate for a significant amount of time. PDT and MDT sets are a given I'd say. They're certainly great for popping on WHM when I do get that random smack or two. But my point is that this happens so infrequently on WHM to the point of being negligible, whereas I cannot say that at all on SCH. Maybe our LS experience are just that different.

In the end, I still think the enmity difference in the two jobs is huge to the point that if Cure V were added to SCH with an enmity adjustment there would still be something quite special for using a WHM as main healer over SCH, even if you discount things like barspells, auspice, shell potency, afflatus solace, esuna, divine benison, etc.

I do have to say though that I'm not about Cure spamming and that's actually why I like SCH so much. I'd go for an alternative to Cure V, but my guess is we're not going to see anything more creative than Tranquil Heart and Enmity adjustments.

[Sotek]

Unless the highest tiers (the WHM-only ones) break the -50% enmity cap, SCH and RDM WON'T gain more hate from cure5 than WHM. All three jobs will be casting in -50% enmity gear/traits anyway.

The way it is now, WHM with -50% enmity will gain 200CE and 350VE from a cure5 (regardless of amount cured). If they change this to use the same cure enmity formula that cure4 uses, that same WHM will gain (assuming 1000 hp cured) ~323CE and ~1935 VE (we dont have good numbers for lvl90).

Any job which can cast cure5 ( or any cure for that matter) for 1000hp, while wearing -50% enmity, at lvl 90, will gain the same enmity as a WHM (under the tranquil heart model).

Do we actually know how Tranquil Heart works yet? I highly doubt it after Animus, but it could simply work as -Enmity for Cure spells that is calculated before regular -Enmity. So we'd have Tranquil Heart Enmity (tEnmity) and Regular Enmity (rEnmity), giving a formula like: "(Base Cure CE/VE * tEnmity) * rEnmity"

Savant's loafers +2 stick a *1.1 before MAB when calculating magic damage, so I don't think it would be impossible for SE to do such a thing (if I'm grossly misunderstanding actual game mechanics sorry, it's late). Regardless I don't think Tranquil Heart is the answer simply because SE gave it to SCH and RDM, too. We only get it nine levels later than WHM, so I highly doubt we're very far behind on tiers.

[Raksha]

Do we actually know how Tranquil Heart works yet? I highly doubt it after Animus, but it could simply work as -Enmity for Cure spells that is calculated before regular -Enmity. So we'd have Tranquil Heart Enmity (tEnmity) and Regular Enmity (rEnmity), giving a formula like: "(Base Cure CE/VE * tEnmity) * rEnmity"

Savant's loafers +2 stick a *1.1 before MAB when calculating magic damage, so I don't think it would be impossible for SE to do such a thing (if I'm grossly misunderstanding actual game mechanics sorry, it's late). Regardless I don't think Tranquil Heart is the answer simply because SE gave it to SCH and RDM, too. We only get it nine levels later than WHM, so I highly doubt we're very far behind on tiers.

If it's a seperate term then it would probably work well, depending on how much more of it WHM gets over RDM/SCH. I'm willing to bet, though, that it's just a straight -enmity to cure spells. Maybe i'll be pleasantly surprised.