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  1. #1
    Player Aramachus's Avatar
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    Aug 2011
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    NIN Lv 90

    Af1+2, Relic+2 Equipment suggestion

    1.The Idea:

    I recently thought about how very not useful most of the af1 equipment is nowadays when a ls member told me, most of the stats on them were made back in the day when the level cap was still 60 and the idea was to make the job more versatile, counter the weaknesses a job has. Of course, countering a jobs natural weaknesses (just take a look at the drk af1 set) goes along with neglecting the jobs strengths (in case of the chaos set, you get parrying skill, evasion, VIT... but only very little to enhance the drks offense, which is the jobs main purpose.)

    I realized that the games progression made these pieces of equipment useless and while I have not played the game from the very beginning, I can imagine that at a lower cap and an earlier period of the game, these adjustments could have had effect, in the example of the af1 drk gear, the dark knight might have had a tool to help his defense with that gear in trade for the offensive gearset he usually wears.

    In general one could say that AF1 equipment for the most part enhances different aspects of the job which are aside of the main purpose. Every job has multiple purposes while one is their top trait:
    Red Mages are top at enfeebling foes and enhancing comerades, yet their secondary skills include the use of elemental magic and fighting with swords or daggers.
    Ninjas are excellent at avoiding to take damage while dealing out considerable amounts themselves, their secondary skills involve the use of ninjutsu from enfeebling to elemental damage and throwing shuriken
    Black mages are the number one job at dealing out damage with elemental magic, yet they are able to enfeeble opponents if needed
    Dark Knights, as mentioned above, specialize in dealing melee damage while sacrificing their defense, however, SE gave them high VIT and the af1 has several defensive stats, their can use elemental magic and even better dark magic.

    I was giving examples for the jobs I played a lot myself and I feel comfortable saying that I understand what they are capable of, but Im sure one could continue with this list going through all jobs, they all have main purposes and several more aspects that might not be used that much but become important under certain circumstances, be it the lack of another job, soloing or fighting monsters that have unique and dangerous traits.

    2. The Suggestions:
    2.1 Purpose of Artifact equipment:
    While af3 equipment was for most parts giving large boosts to a jobs main purposes, af1 and relic gear became even less useless.
    My idea is to make af1 and relic equipment useful again and at the same time not have it compete with af3 but make the three types of artifact equipment enhance different aspects of the job. There would be new quests discussed below that make upgrades to af1+2 and relic+2 equipment including the artifact weapon which has long been neglected.

    The Artifact weapons I imagine themed like the mythic weapons, rather enhancing aspects, increasing stats than for brute damage dealing, in strength comparable to the lesser empyrean weapon. as such, they should have powerful and unique enhancements, however no own weaponskill and most notably no aftermath effect.

    To give an idea about how that could look like, I will go into a few examples, again using the jobs I claim to understand well enough

    Skills: damage dealing (speed), evasion, ninjutsu, throwing

    af3 gear was heavily leaning towards increasing the ninjas offensive melee potential (except the gloves). Looking at af1, several pieces increase the ninjas ability to fight from distance (gloves, pants while shoes and hat have an AGI boost), some increase the evasion and only very little is done towards melee damage output. Going from there, I would suggest picking a theme for each piece (throwing, evasion, ninjutsu, melee) and increasing its values towards that, making it match af3 in power. Looking at the relic equipment, one can see the same structure througout the set. There aswell I would pick a theme for each piece (that doesnt match the respective piece of af1 or af3) and make it a match for af3 in power.

    add effect: weakens accuracy / add effect: weakens attack
    + ranged accuracy / + ranged attack
    - enmity
    Af1+2 equipment:
    + ranged accuracy, + ranged attack, enhances sange (does not consume shadows), + throwing skill, adds recycle, ...

    Comment: the katanas are designed, a stronger one mainhand increasing strength, a faster one offhand increasing dexterity, keeping the theme I tried to come up with useful enhancements that fit the same "family" as the attribute.

    Red Mage:
    Skills: enfeebling, enhancing, elemental magic, meleeing (fencing)

    red mage af3 gear gives heavy boosts to enfeebling, magic attack and enhancing, however, each piece follows one of that pattern, they are not mixed up in one piece. My suggestion for af1 would be to make it enhance the red mages melee qualities along with the upgrade of the artifact weapon into the style of a fencer. warlocks gloves+1 are a good example. I realize that some pieces might not fit yet, however, comparing the af3 body and the af1 body, I think the enfeebling skill on af1+2 could be traded for a more melee type enhancement as I think for enfeebling purposes af3+1 and especially af3+2 beats af1+1 so af1+1 which is an example how most af1 gear is rather useless at the current state of the game.

    Fencing degen +2:
    + crit rate, + sword skill, + parrying skill, adds counter to composure
    Af1+2 equipment:
    + parrying skill, + sword skill, + accuracy, + shield skill, + haste, + fencer, + DEX, enhances enspells (maybe occasionally inflict status buff related to said element, e.g.: enblizzard: occ inflicts paralze) , enhances convert (adds a stoneskin effect, similar to afflatus solace) ...

    Comment: I think it is more than justified to give the red mage boosts in melee damage dealing, composure shows very clearly how it works, the red mage increases his soloing potential while getting increased recast timers which is not very beneficial in a group, the melee theme should be according to that way so that the red mage makes a good fighter on his own, versatile in offense and defense as it has always been the red mages best attributes, however in parties the red mage should not compete with other damage dealers, as such, the melee themed set should be oriented the same way composure is. It is clearly a balancing issue, not a problem of the red mage having a useful melee set itself.

    Black Mage:
    Skills: elemental magic, enfeebling magic, enhancing oneself

    The af3 gear for blm blew their damage output through the roof, however looking at af1 equipment we can see enfeebling skill and lots of mp recovery while healing. I would like to see the af1+2 equipment tending more towards increasing the black mages ability to self support himself by adding enfeebling bonuses, enhancing bonuses and augmenting the neglected elemental debuff line

    casting wand+2:
    + 100 mp, refresh+1, INT+20, increases enfeebling potency
    Af1+2 equipment:
    + INT, + MND, + enfeebling skill, + enhancing skill, + fast cast, + magic accuracy, occasionally maximizes magic accuracy, augments elemental debuffs (maybe: depending on day: inflicts enfeebles (means if the debuff cast matches the element of the day, the enfeeble associated with that element will be inflicted or its potency enhanced like a corsairs quickdraw)

    Comment: getting strong boosts in enfeebling magic, the black mage is still clearly inferior to the red mage which has stronger and more equipment, higher base skill and tier II spells.

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  2. #2
    Player Aramachus's Avatar
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    NIN Lv 90
    Dark Knight:
    Skills: damage dealing (trading defense for offense), elemental/dark magic, high hp/VIT

    Af3 for the dark knight increased the damage dealing output enormously, I would set the theme for the af1+2 equipment so that the dark knight can not only sacrifice defense for offense but rather controls it to his will which is also reflected in the line of absorbs he can do. while as of now mostly absorb acc and STR were the way to go, absorb VIT, absorb MND and absorb AGI also exist and drain II can be seen as an "absorb hp" spell as it increases the dark knights health points. from this point of view, the dark knight does have few but some defensive tools.

    Raven Scythe+2:
    enhances endark (drain a % of the darkness damage dealt), low delay/low damage scythe while maintaining a good dot ratio, increases drain II duration, +fast cast
    Af1+2 equipment+2:
    + VIT, +def, -dmg taken, +parrying skill, +magic defense bonus, augments dread spikes (adds some -damage taken after the spike damage, effectively healing the dark knight for a small amount each hit), inverts last resort (-att +def while keeping the speed from desperate blows), augments occult accumen (to work the other way around: weaponskills convert a % of the TP used into mp), ...

    Comment: I do know that a lot of people will strongly disagree with the dark knight getting defensive abilities, however I think that SE did intend the dark knight to have some defensive skills as trading defense for offense can also work the other way around, also, several hints scattered all over the job like the absorb VIT absorb MND, high base VIT of drk and most of all the conception of the original af1 equipment make me believe that it does fit the theme of the dark knight. Of course, the dark knights defensive abilities should not be even comparable to those of the paladin, however the boosts should still be strong enough so the dark knight can support himself when without a party or even step in when the parties tank is killed and temporarily withstand the monsters attacks though intelligent use of absorbing and defensive skills. the emphasis is clearly on "temporarily".

    2.2 Problems:
    reading this, you might have noticed that on the one hand I talk about upgrading both, af1 and relic to +2 then I give examples only for af1. at the same time, some pieces of equipment just do not fit the pattern like I put ninja af1+2 into the throwing and rather supportive theme while some of the af1+1 pieces should be rather ninjutsu themed. treat the examples I listed above as af1+2 only as examples and possibilities for what the pieces could have fitting to a certain theme. I would for example make the nin af1 head a evasion pieces with ranged bonuses following the lead of the NQ -> +1 upgrade while making the relic+2 piece a ninjutsu piece. af3+2 nin head is a powerful melee damage dealing piece so they dont interfere and all have their uses. looking at the ninjas gloves, af3+2 has ninjutsu and evasion bonuses, I would use the af1+2 ranged bonuses and maybe increase the dex and str some more to make it a ws piece fitting the new level caps. the relic+2 piece, which is a solid melee damage dealing piece at night should either drop the "nighttime only" prefix or - since the nighttime stuff fits ninja very good - add lesser bonuses add daytime for example 4% haste at nighttime, 2% haste at daytime and some more overall bonuses. That way, each piece of equipment, be it af1, relic or af3 has its own pattern while all three sets of equipment are a mix of those, however the individual pieces dont compete with the other sets, one time its af1: eva, relic: DD, af3: ninjutsu then on another equipment slot it may be the other way around, but overall, if you have obtained all 3 sets you can mix and match them as you like to obtain the best set fitting your situation, if youre throwing shuriken, tanking a monster you need high evasion, enfeebling or dealing damage through ninjutsu or trying to deal as much damage with your strikes as possible. As this example was for the ninja, Im certain with some creativity it can be extended to every job and their multiple aspects.

    2.3 Obtaining af1+2 and relic+2 equipment
    first, I would suggest adding artifact weapons+1 which should match the level of the af1+1 equipment, I would suggest they are obtainable though ancient beast coins and limbus items just like af1+1 equipment. there is a lot of leeway to balance the strength of the weapons with the amount of ancient beast coins they cost.
    then, for upgrading the equipment and the weapon from +1 to +2, I see several possibilities. I would like to see content revived that has next to no use right now or only very specific use:
    - VNM tier 3 items (like the eye of verthandi)
    - items from lesser abyssea NMs (like chukwa, manananggal or cuelebre)
    - anything from sky/sea or other level 75 endgame content that is barely in use nowadays.

    for the relic+1 equipment upgrades, the same principle applies: add items to old content to upgrade it, I would like to see things happen in the toau areas so suggestions are:
    add the items required to upgrade to einherjar/assault/salvage for the respective points. could also use items from the three of them to obtain relic+2 equipment.

    3. Summary
    The conclusion of the whole suggestions I made is that it would give the chance to make old content worthwhile which I think it deserves, sky and sea are beautifully designed areas and very much neglected nowadays. I enjoy the whole toau continent but hardly anyone is there except for people doing magian weapon trials. As a side effect, making several instances worthwhile again, the congestion problems in abyssea might be adressed through this. as of now, there is still a lot of competition over ???s to spawn NMs or Nms like gukumatz.
    Also, af1 equipment which is to 95% useless right now would not only be useful again but not make other gear useless by creating a niche it had from the very beginning by illuminating aspects of each job aside the single main purpose one does most of the time. I would welcome this very much as I do think the jobs have the potential to do more than just one thing, it does make the game more fun to play when I can play a job that can do more than just hit the auto attack button and then wait until the monster is dead while dishing out a weaponskill every once in a while.