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    Player Gwydion's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    Why? SMN already ruins the entire game and makes it have zero difficulty. Pet strategies in general require the least amount of skill/effort out of all strategies available and need no further buffs.
    It's not fair of you to conflate BST or PUP with SMN. Per SE, Beastmasters are frontline DD now....but are second-class citizens when being supported by Trusts and Bards.
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    Yes meleeing and hitting ws button is soooo much more skill than hitting ready lol. Given on any content anything mattering you are probably going to have to run in and out since no matter how you gear you are going to lose some level of defense on either you or your pet it requires decent amount of more effort and skill. What it requires less of is healers and potentially support though most still run with cor and geo

    pup tanks are slightly less effort than a traditional tank + healer... but you also have to deal with less enmity generation and have to be completely self sufficient basically playing both roles at once and being super weak to the debuffs that matter. Oh and being completely useless against multiple mobs.


    And the flying chicken basically does nothing other than provide the passive buffs to the drg if leveled up and still alive

    And smns dd capability is pretty meh as well unless they are bypassing bp timers.
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    Last edited by Urmom; 10-31-2017 at 09:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    Why? SMN already ruins the entire game and makes it have zero difficulty. Pet strategies in general require the least amount of skill/effort out of all strategies available and need no further buffs.
    You ruin it yourself, no one is at fault, that you have no fun. You don't have to use it. No one's winning a contest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacky View Post
    You ruin it yourself, no one is at fault, that you have no fun. You don't have to use it. No one's winning a contest.
    That's a misnomer. When something is so extremely broken it affects everyone. Directly or indirectly. You have no say in it's affect on you.

    The only say you get is how it affects you. Ignoring its affects is not the same as not being affected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    Why? SMN already ruins the entire game and makes it have zero difficulty. Pet strategies in general require the least amount of skill/effort out of all strategies available and need no further buffs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Halley View Post
    That's a misnomer. When something is so extremely broken it affects everyone. Directly or indirectly. You have no say in it's affect on you.

    The only say you get is how it affects you. Ignoring its affects is not the same as not being affected.
    There is nothing extremly broken. It's the problem humans allways have... there is something what can do something i can't! It's broken! Fix it!

    SE should fix the AoEdmg from the NMs so the melee don't drop like flys and they gonna outdmg the SMN again. Then they have to find another job to bitch at, cause they do more dmg then my job.
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    Player Halley's Avatar
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    under absolutely zero circumstances can melee match the output of conduit. Even with a brew, a melee cannot equal a conduit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halley View Post
    under absolutely zero circumstances can melee match the output of conduit. Even with a brew, a melee cannot equal a conduit.
    On any fight that does not end w/in the timeframe of AC though, melee should be able to actually pull ahead of SMN in equal quality gear. I still like my idea of ~50k damage-per-source caps for the first 60sec or so, which would even out the current kill speed imbalance. I've seen melees get enough TP to WS before their current WS animation ends, so I'm pretty sure it's possible to exceed SMN's output if the fight is guaranteed to last longer than AC duration.

    Back on topic though, adding pet rolls to Qultada's list would not actually do much to buff SMN, since on anything that matters, they're gonna have a roll/drop COR anyway (whose rolls should be ~2x as powerful as a no-equipment Trust.) It would be helpful for BST/PUP though since we tend to be more likely to lowman/solo. DRG, well.. Wyvern is little more than a killable stat buff from what I've been told by serious DRGs. So, would help them less, but anything that can increase it's survivability would probably be appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacky View Post
    There is nothing extremly broken. It's the problem humans allways have... there is something what can do something i can't! It's broken! Fix it!
    Um that's exactly what broken is and what needs fixed. Humans don't have a problem it's just logical to use a path of MUCH MUCH less resistance which in turns invalidates all other paths
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  9. #29
    Player Gwydion's Avatar
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    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...et-based-rolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Grekumah View Post
    Luzaf is a character that possesses his own style, so we'll look into this, but it might be difficult to have him use pet based rolls. However, we'll be looking into adjusting Qultada so that they use pet based rolls.

    Thanks for the feedback!
    It’s been over 2 years. Any update SE?
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  10. #30
    Player Gwydion's Avatar
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    Come on, SE.

    Currently, no trusts boost BST Pets.
    No omen or reforged set bonuses affect BST Pets.

    Any updates here?
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