To the devs: Why won't you nerf Geomancer?

[Jakuk]

It's sad that people got this changed will never do anything else then Ambuscade. Vex/Attune is basically useless now even on just Omen Bosses. Some of the Reisen HELM NM's are nearly impossible now. But of course the people who cried the loudest do not care or will ever make a Aeonic at all.

And yet, people are still doing them with barely any real problem.

[Domille]

And yet, people are still doing them with barely any real problem.

LOL no. There is a SERIOUS problem.

No one is "doing them with barely any real problem". Everyone I talk to is having a DEFINITE problem now.

Or they're resorting to using summoner because summoner is extremely overpowered and broken right now with the constant stream of buffs and geo nerf.

[Zeargi]

LOL no. There is a SERIOUS problem.

No one is "doing them with barely any real problem". Everyone I talk to is having a DEFINITE problem now.

Or they're resorting to using summoner because summoner is extremely overpowered and broken right now with the constant stream of buffs and geo nerf.

SMN isn't "extremely overpowered and broken" Those numbers come from piling on BP DMG+/MAB. I can, also, bet there's a GEO in the mix to lower something. An undergeared/Underkilled SMN isn't going to do nearly that damage. >_> I've seen BLUs, DNC, and even a DRG all do amazing things, and that because they're well-geared.

[Domille]

Don't even try to pull the same shit.

SMN is the broken job now. period.

Just because you think it isn't, doesn't mean anything.

Geo was broken > everyone says "nuh uh!".

BLM was broken > everyone says "NUH UH!"

SMN is broken > your answer "nuh uh!"

Why is it that the people that play THF were the ONLY job in FFXI history that were willing to admit when their job was broken? It's pathetic you can't admit the obvious.

[Jakuk]

Don't even try to pull the same shit.

SMN is the broken job now. period.

Just because you think it isn't, doesn't mean anything.

Geo was broken > everyone says "nuh uh!".

BLM was broken > everyone says "NUH UH!"

SMN is broken > your answer "nuh uh!"

Why is it that the people that play THF were the ONLY job in FFXI history that were willing to admit when their job was broken? It's pathetic you can't admit the obvious.

Because like with BST and GEO people become over-reliant on said jobs to succeed.

[Zeargi]

Don't even try to pull the same shit.

SMN is the broken job now. period.

Just because you think it isn't, doesn't mean anything.

Geo was broken > everyone says "nuh uh!".

BLM was broken > everyone says "NUH UH!"

SMN is broken > your answer "nuh uh!"

Why is it that the people that play THF were the ONLY job in FFXI history that were willing to admit when their job was broken? It's pathetic you can't admit the obvious.

Because it's not broken, plain and simple. You can claim it all you want that it is, but it takes a crap ton of gear to make SMN work. You need to have BP- 1 and 2 for the first 2 time limits, and then Favor+ and Max Skill to go pass a 3rd Timer boundary (Which is still 21s per Rage). You also have to have BP DMG, MAB, MACC, ACC for your Pet depending on which Bloodpact you have to use. Then the MP to cast it and sustain it if you happen to have to switch out the Prep Gear for whatever other thing you might have to be doing. Not to mention the Fast Cast, MP+, Skill+ for Wards, and such. The only "broken thing" is the SMN Astral Conduit which can only be used every 45m-1h. It's people that don't play the job that have zero clue as to the real depth of what it takes to play it. The PUP PLD Auto can tank the Ambuscade Intense Mobs, does that mean it's broken? No, It means it's being played by someone that know how the job works.

[Secondplanet]

Don't even try to pull the same shit.

SMN is the broken job now. period.

Just because you think it isn't, doesn't mean anything.

Geo was broken > everyone says "nuh uh!".

BLM was broken > everyone says "NUH UH!"

SMN is broken > your answer "nuh uh!"

Why is it that the people that play THF were the ONLY job in FFXI history that were willing to admit when their job was broken? It's pathetic you can't admit the obvious.

Nice job avoiding BLU there c.c you know the job the solo's almost all content. But SMN come one seriously? our avatars die if directly attacked by NM's in a couple of hits unless we want to use a quasi tank gear setup then our avatars can take the extra hits but then our perp cost goes up for it. But just like others have pointed out the sheer amount of gear we have to have to pull off decent numbers is outlandish and our constant need to switch weapons for BP:rage types puts us at a disadvantage since we loose TP (if we have any) that could be used for Mykr.

SMN has also been ignored time and time again for our blood pact wards as most are not worth the mp as their are still stuck at their 75 caps Noctoshield anyone? (13 dmg phalanx woooo so over powered) We use to be the original party buffer job which got snatched away by SCH, We had Alexander which got nerfed to the point it became useless as they set the smn magic requirements to reach peek efficiency to a lvl that was impossible at the time and now that its achievable its useless for the cost, Odin we were told would be too powerful to have a instant death move that works on NM but then BLM got death.

This list can go on for quite some time as to the many flaws smn has and pointing out burst damage every 21-30secs isn't a fair comparison to anything as when we go all out like that our mp dwindles fast and using apogee drains it even faster.

[Domille]

Because like with BST and GEO people become over-reliant on said jobs to succeed.

Which is LITERALLY what people already started doing. I've seen 3 groups now relying on smn zerging schah because they can't beat it anymore without resorting to that.

Because it's not broken, plain and simple. You can claim it all you want that it is, but it takes a crap ton of gear to make SMN work. You need to have BP- 1 and 2 for the first 2 time limits, and then Favor+ and Max Skill to go pass a 3rd Timer boundary (Which is still 21s per Rage). You also have to have BP DMG. MAB, MACC, ACC for your Pet depend on which Bloodpact you have to use. Then the MP to cast it and sustain it if you happen to have to switch out the Prep Gear for whatever other thing you might have to be doing. Not to mention the Fast Cast, MP+, Skill+ for Wards, and such. The only "broken thing" is the SMN Astral Conduit which can only be used every 45m-1h. It's people that don't play the job that have zero clue as to the real depth of what it takes to play it. The PUP PLD Auto can tank the Ambuscade Intense Mobs, does that mean it's broken? No, It means it's being played by someone that know how the job works.

You answered yourself. Lets not forget the EXACT reason bst was nerfed is because of the 2hour abuse with revitalizers, guess what, thats what the smns are doing. Conduit > kill mob > abyssea > conduit > kill mob > abyssea.

Nice job avoiding BLU there c.c you know the job the solo's almost all content. But SMN come one seriously? our avatars die if directly attacked by NM's in a couple of hits unless we want to use a quasi tank gear setup then our avatars can take the extra hits but then our perp cost goes up for it. But just like others have pointed out the sheer amount of gear we have to have to pull off decent numbers is outlandish and our constant need to switch weapons for BP:rage types puts us at a disadvantage since we loose TP (if we have any) that could be used for Mykr.

SMN has also been ignored time and time again for our blood pact wards as most are not worth the mp as their are still stuck at their 75 caps Noctoshield anyone? (13 dmg phalanx woooo so over powered) We use to be the original party buffer job which got snatched away by SCH, We had Alexander which got nerfed to the point it became useless as they set the smn magic requirements to reach peek efficiency to a lvl that was impossible at the time and now that its achievable its useless for the cost, Odin we were told would be too powerful to have a instant death move that works on NM but then BLM got death.

This list can go on for quite some time as to the many flaws smn has and pointing out burst damage every 21-30secs isn't a fair comparison to anything as when we go all out like that our mp dwindles fast and using apogee drains it even faster.

Blu is beating a dead horse it's going to get nerfed, no point even bringing it up.

Different things are broken for different reasons, and smn burning has gotten overbuffed. I dont care about their bad wards. It's the conduit damage that is broken. If smn does as much damage as a BST then SMN range needs to be nerfed or BST range reverted.

[Zeargi]

Which is LITERALLY what people already started doing. I've seen 3 groups now relying on smn zerging schah because they can't beat it anymore without resorting to that.

Oh please... That's just people being unimaginative. It's no different than when peopled claimed that the old Promy fights could only be won with SMNs, when people just took an alliance of SMN for Waking the Beast, or SMN for PD for ADL,. Things can be beaten, people just choose to be lazy.

You answered yourself. Lets not forget the EXACT reason bst was nerfed is because of the 2hour abuse with revitalizers, guess what, thats what the smns are doing. Conduit > kill mob > abyssea > conduit > kill mob > abyssea.

There's still a limit on the amount of Cruor even with the Copper Vouchers, and there's a simple solution: make the item only be allowed for purchase once a day. It's still not going to stop people from finding CORs to resest the abilities like they used to (Or is that broken too?). Again, even if they did do that, an underskill/geared SMN isn't going to do all that great in 129+ stuff and miss a good chunk of the time. All the Avatars are BLMs, they don't get any super awesome mega trait that let's them beat the hell out of things. The only things they get are their natural PDT-, their Elemental type resistance, and MAB. No Double Attack. No Triple Attack, No Max HP Boost, No Evasion Bonus, No Accuracy Bonus, Nothing. The only exceptions are Carbuncle(Lowest ATT/DEF), Fenrir (Highest ATT), and Diabolos (Highest DEF.). Only three of the Avatars can heal themselves, and now with all of our BPs need TP of sorts, it means that healing for some of those are much weaker. The same applies to Astral Conduit and the BP done in rapid secession. Let's also talk about that Astral Conduit can also screw SMNs over, because if you don't let the BP at least hit, then the MP will already be taken. So, if you decide to spam the button and lose more MP then what you should.

Also, the reason why I put it in quotations is because all you people see are these high number and assume that it takes nothing to do. It's more than likely someone has maxed out the Astral Conduit AND the Astral Flow JP categories.

Different things are broken for different reasons, and smn burning has gotten overbuffed. I dont care about their bad wards. It's the conduit damage that is broken. If smn does as much damage as a BST then SMN range needs to be nerfed or BST range reverted.

Or, they could... I don't know... maybe fix BST and give it the Job Traits it deserves to have from the beginning? Also there are some BST that refuse to let go of that Axe, despite it being a major gimp. Even if they macroed in the non-ilvl Pants, they'd still be at 20 seconds for their recharge of Ready/Sic, 1 second faster than SMN. Should some of the things for BST be changed, absolutely: Reward, Fight, Stay, Heel. But it again goes back to the idiotic mentality of Nerf Everything, instead of fix the other jobs.

[detlef]

SMN is really strong. Maybe it takes a lot of gear to do it but that applies to every job. Hate-free damage and the pet itself doesn't need any buffs. That's pretty huge, especially in today's endgame. I'm not calling for a nerf or anything but the job is incredibly strong, useful, and safe.

It is pretty funny reading people share how the job's minor limitations are actually debilitating though.