To the devs: Why won't you nerf Geomancer?

[Nyarlko]

The importance of GEO has more to do with how they dealt with 100+ content than the job itself. Since there doesn't seem to be any evidence contrary to a linear level-based stat increase system for mobs, (EX: acc+34 required per mob level over yours,) the differences between older support role jobs like BRD/COR/RDM become painfully obvious in direct comparison in higher level content. SE has always had the bad design habit of addressing job mechanic issues with equipment rather than actual job adjustments, so the older jobs (who have primarily static value based buffs) just ended up lagging further and further behind as player/mob stats continuously climbed while their unchanged mechanics (with occasional small boosts from equipment) provided less and less overall benefit.

GEO's bubbles that have direct comparisons/overlap with other supports are percentage based rather than static, so they naturally scale along with player power increases. Once upon a time, Madrigal's/Minuet's static values provided a sizable increase to accuracy/attack when viewed as a percentage of what players were able to attain. Player stats have skyrocketed compared to pre-ilvl days though and the percentage increase that those unchanged static values provide now are much smaller percentages which pale in comparison to what a moderately geared GEO (Dunna) can provide. Toss Idris into the mix and there's no way possible to compete. This is not a flaw with GEO, it's a flaw with the other support jobs.

The modern game is not being designed around GEO. GEO is just designed for the modern game. The older jobs aren't and are suffering for that. This is not an issue of "GEO is Over Powered", its an issue of "Non-GEO support jobs are Under Powered." The solution is not to nerf GEO, it's to buff the other supports to competitive level. If nerfs are needed after that has happened, then we ask for nerfs at that point.

Nerfing GEO with the current state of the game though would be a textbook example of "cutting off your nose to spite your face." It would provide zero benefit to anyone and hinder most groups, so what is the purpose for even asking for nerfs right now?

Because the content designed between 2002-2009 wasn't exactly AoE heavy, however they did indeed enjoy their AoE/conal debuffs. Sure enemies had nasty AoE moves, but uh....Utsusemi was a thing for a reason for certain jobs if they were always going to be in melee range until SE started designing NMs to ignore/completely wipe shadows. It wasn't until abyssea and after did SE move towards "everything AoE wrecks your face" but don't pretend the game didn't rely on support jobs pre-Geomancer or you must have been in some terrible linkshells lol.

The old content also did not normally have to account for haste capped melees. ^^;; I have the distinct impression that most players (and possibly the devs) ignore the impact that the increase in TP fed to mobs by delay capped melees with sky-high multiattack rates has had on TP move usage. Even if an old mob had some sort of super nasty AOE, it would take FIVE DDs to match the baseline TP fed by only ONE modern melee w/ 80% delay reduction. That means that they are getting fed TP at 500% of the old rate. And that means that what would have been a 10sec delay between TP moves with 3x DDs pounding away is now a 2sec delay and basically firing off back-to-back (and likely to be less than 1sec once multiattack is taken into account.) Would the majority of current gen nasty AOEs be anywhere near as annoying/dangerous if there was actually time for a WHM to clear off at least 1-2 debuffs on everyone between moves?

That was a bit of a tangent, but still leads back to why GEO is dominating the support spot in groups... When we don't have access to any other effective means of defense (in part because the older supports simply can't provide enough to matter much in the upper clvl world,) the one support job that is capable of providing anything worthwhile will of become the default/go-to option over those who can't. Which leads back to "Don't nerf GEO, BUFF other supports to match." It's fine if there are differences in what each job brings to group content, but there is a problem when the choice is not a matter of tactics but basic functionality.

[Siviard]

Ok, I'm seriously confused by all this.

First off, this is the player in question here, Kiaru of Valefor. http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Valefor/Kiaru

This person has THF NIN DNC RNG and SCH at Lv. 99. All of which BENEFIT from having a Geomancer in a party. Yet, this person seems to have some sort of extreme hatred towards GEO. Why is this? Did a Geomancer steal candy from you as a child? Did a Geomancer bully you in Middle School? Or maybe something more serious? A Geomancer robbed you at gunpoint? Please help me understand why you hate GEO so when the jobs you have at 99 all benefit greatly from being in a group with a GEO.

[Domille]

Ah, well, name one job that DOESNT benefit from a GEO. Even a GEO benefits from another GEO. That's the problem with GEO.

You won't find anyone even on trivial content not wanting a GEO.

Do you need a geo for ambuscade? Absolutely not. will you see one in every. single. party. Absolutely. Half of them are running double GEO.

Hell the Frog was IMMUNE to GEO and every single party still had one.

[Shiyo]

Ok, I'm seriously confused by all this.

First off, this is the player in question here, Kiaru of Valefor. http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Valefor/Kiaru

This person has THF NIN DNC RNG and SCH at Lv. 99. All of which BENEFIT from having a Geomancer in a party. Yet, this person seems to have some sort of extreme hatred towards GEO. Why is this? Did a Geomancer steal candy from you as a child? Did a Geomancer bully you in Middle School? Or maybe something more serious? A Geomancer robbed you at gunpoint? Please help me understand why you hate GEO so when the jobs you have at 99 all benefit greatly from being in a group with a GEO.

Where are the forum mods?
Literally personal attacks + petty finding an outdated profile on another site and trying to use it as an ad hominem attack that has nothing to do with the discussion.

Mods? Hello?

[Elexia]

Ah, well, name one job that DOESNT benefit from a GEO. Even a GEO benefits from another GEO. That's the problem with GEO.

Corsair's benefit from Corsairs and BRDs.

Do you see how what you said makes no sense? That isn't a "problem" - the problem here is just hating on Geomancer. It's funny how people initially said Geomancer would be worthless and no one would like them (especially because of how bad the initial wave of Geomancers were on Seeker's launch) now people are trying to get them nerfed into oblivion.

You won't find anyone even on trivial content not wanting a GEO.

You mean like how people wouldn't be caught dead without a RDM/BRD/COR back in the day..?

Hell the Frog was IMMUNE to GEO and every single party still had one.

It's still a support job.

I'll be blunt: There must be something in Valefor's water to make the hate for Geomancer this severe...or there must only be 4 Geomancers on that server and people just can't have one for their party.

Where are the forum mods?
Literally personal attacks + petty finding an outdated profile on another site and trying to use it as an ad hominem attack that has nothing to do with the discussion.

Your profile is up to date up until they ended support for LS community site. It wasn't a personal attack and it does pertain to the current discussion. You want Geomancer nerfed, however, all of the jobs you play benefits from Geomancer.

[Jin_Uzuki]

Ah, well, name one job that DOESNT benefit from a GEO.

BST burns in Reisejima!

Your message works if you replace GEO with WHM too, by the way. Or Tank, for pretty much every meaningful content. News at 11, if you want to get party fast, tank, heal and support are the jobs you want since they are pretty much "reserved" spots as far FFXI and MMORPG goes.

Supports especially, it's like people don't remember about BRDs getting message as soon they logged.

[Shiyo]

BST burns in Reisejima!
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-defense on the mob is an astronomical help to bst pets damage on said mobs.

[Elexia]

BST burns in Reisejima!

Your message works if you replace GEO with WHM too, by the way. Or Tank, for pretty much every meaningful content. News at 11, if you want to get party fast, tank, heal and support are the jobs you want since they are pretty much "reserve" spots as far FFXI and MMORPG goes.

Supports especially, it's like people don't remember about BRDs getting message as soon they logged.

It's not that don't remember, they simply didn't play the game pre-abyssea or purposefully ignoring it to try to have an "argument" against a support class being a support class.

[Jin_Uzuki]

-defense on the mob is an astronomical help to bst pets damage on said mobs.

GEO needs to hit all the mobs, it's risky as hell compared to cor, 4bst, pld

[Siviard]

Where are the forum mods?
Literally personal attacks + petty finding an outdated profile on another site and trying to use it as an ad hominem attack that has nothing to do with the discussion.

Mods? Hello?

Who said I was attacking you personally? I'm simply asking a question. That question is "Why do you have Ku Klux Klan levels of hatred towards Geomancer?" It's not that hard a question to answer.

And "outdated profile"? You have activity on there as recent as 12-22-2016 so I'd say that profile of yours is still pretty active.