Please boost BRD to make it competitive again

[Camate]

Greetings,

There are a couple of plans in the pipeline that the development team is working on for bard.
Right now they are looking into adding new gear that has the “All songs +” property so that song effects can become more powerful through slots other than just instruments. They are aiming to implement this as soon as possible, but as an adjustment to precede this, they have also decided to increase the effect values of certain songs. The team will need a bit of time to get everything ready, but we’ll keep you posted once there is more information.

[Zeargi]

Greetings,

There are a couple of plans in the pipeline that the development team is working on for bard.
Right now they are looking into adding new gear that has the “All songs +” property so that song effects can become more powerful through slots other than just instruments. They are aiming to implement this as soon as possible, but as an adjustment to precede this, they have also decided to increase the effect values of certain songs. The team will need a bit of time to get everything ready, but we’ll keep you posted once there is more information.

That's definitely a start, but there are still songs/spells that are missing that would even the playing field. Certain songs are and have been useless for a long time (The Stat Boosts, the Resist Debuffs, etc) because there are only so many slots a player can have on themselves from songs. There needs to be songs/spells to inflict debuffs on enemies and a stronger way to inflict them. Augmenting heavily the elemental resistance down that certain spells: Like BLM's -ja, Ninja's Ninjutsu, BRD's Threnody, and RDM's En-II could be something that help.

[VoiceMemo]

Yes this is definitely a good start. Maybe also reopen consideration to giving brds Massacre elegy as well, but All songs is most welcome on new gear.

[Creelo]

That's definitely a start, but there are still songs/spells that are missing that would even the playing field. Certain songs are and have been useless for a long time (The Stat Boosts, the Resist Debuffs, etc) because there are only so many slots a player can have on themselves from songs. There needs to be songs/spells to inflict debuffs on enemies and a stronger way to inflict them. Augmenting heavily the elemental resistance down that certain spells: Like BLM's -ja, Ninja's Ninjutsu, BRD's Threnody, and RDM's En-II could be something that help.

I wouldn't say Etudes are useless, the T2 Adjustments were quite welcome too. However, they could totally get rid of all the Status Resist songs and I don't think anyone would really care, at least from a gameplay perspective. They keep saying how they can't create new spells, but they could certainly free up a lot of space by getting rid of those Status Resist. I think a Magic Evasion+ song would greatly be appreciated too, and something to help Brds more in Mage set ups. Ballad/March/Etudes/Scherzo are nice for mages, but Brd ultimately can't increase nuke dmg nearly as much as a Geo could.

Edit: Adding a form of MDB- or Gambit-like effect to Threnodies would be truly awesome for them. As of right now, they're nice but often completely unnecessary. Adding something to increase magic elemental dmg to that Threnody's element would be a great addition while also giving Brd an amazing tool for Mage-focused parties.

[Jakuk]

I wouldn't say Etudes are useless, the T2 Adjustments were quite welcome too. However, they could totally get rid of all the Status Resist songs and I don't think anyone would really care, at least from a gameplay perspective. They keep saying how they can't create new spells, but they could certainly free up a lot of space by getting rid of those Status Resist. I think a Magic Evasion+ song would greatly be appreciated too, and something to help Brds more in Mage set ups. Ballad/March/Etudes/Scherzo are nice for mages, but Brd ultimately can't increase nuke dmg nearly as much as a Geo could.

Edit: Adding a form of MDB- or Gambit-like effect to Threnodies would be truly awesome for them. As of right now, they're nice but often completely unnecessary. Adding something to increase magic elemental dmg to that Threnody's element would be a great addition while also giving Brd an amazing tool for Mage-focused parties.

Plenty they could do if they really wanted space for more spells even without removing spells completely from a job.

They could drop all single cast bar-spells and just give the AoE versions to all the jobs.

Same with Gain- spells just give them Boost- instead.

That's 21 spaces there alone with no impact on gameplay, allowing for more spells for jobs that need them like BRD.

[OmnysValefor]

Plenty they could do if they really wanted space for more spells even without removing spells completely from a job.

They could drop all single cast bar-spells and just give the AoE versions to all the jobs.

Same with Gain- spells just give them Boost- instead.

That's 21 spaces there alone with no impact on gameplay, allowing for more spells for jobs that need them like BRD.

Been pushing for similar.

Give whm5 a trait that makes singles aoe.

Haha, it was you I replied to.

Two brief question:

1) Is it impossible to base the DoT damage of these spells on player's level / ilvl?

2) Can you remove spells? Have you ever considered doing this? If you removed all of WHM's bar spells and gave WHM RDM's barspells along with a trait (say, WHM5) to make them aoe, and likewise for Protect/Shell, you would gain 25 slots of spells. As Jakuk points out, if you merge Gain-STR(etc) and Boost-counterparts, that's 32 slots of spells.

If you announced two months in advance that you were removing these, and made a single NPC available with all these spells (if a server-side conversion is just too difficult), that would give people plenty of time to update macros and buy the spells.

Something like--

Day 0:
Make announcement
Put WHM on RDM counterpart spells.
Add trait to whm.

Two months later
Remove WHM duplicates from the game

[Jakuk]

Been pushing for similar.

Give whm5 a trait that makes singles aoe.

Haha, it was you I replied to.

Yeah, probably where I remembered it from.

There is also a load of BLU spells pretty much everyone would be fine with going that haven't ever been used, even for traits, from day one.

[Sicycre]

Hello, everyone!

Following yesterday's update for enfeebling spells, today I'd like to share the upcoming adjustments to songs in the next version update.

As mentioned previously, we'll be introducing new gear which will include the "All songs +" property.
In addition to this, we'll be adjusting the effect from the "Song +" property.
Specifically, instead of having this property increase different values for different songs, we'll standardize the effect to be a "+10%" increase for the following songs:

Minne / Minuet / Madrigal / Prelude / Mambo / March (including Honor)

We'll also raise the skill and caps on the above songs.
Furthermore, the "Song +" property will now affect "Carol" songs as well.

These changes will increase the performance no matter which skill obi or gear is used.

Once these are implemented, we hope that you try them out with your instruments!

[Domille]

Ok, so, I'll be the one to ask:

Yeah this helps players, but what does it do for Ulmia and Joachim?

[Jakuk]

Ok, so, I'll be the one to ask:

Yeah this helps players, but what does it do for Ulmia and Joachim?

Probably nothing, not to sure they'll be bothered about Trusts.