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    Player cengeal's Avatar
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    Lack of Incentive for old Add-ons

    The Add-ons are terrible. And by add-ons, I mean A Crystalline Prophecy, A Shantotto Ascensioon, and A Moogle-who-really-cares. BST can put this stuff to a little use, and I guess you can get a lackluster movement speed+8% for a few jobs, and a neat Fast Cast piece for heavy jobs. Beyond that, this stuff is laughably useless.

    And now, nexus cape doesn't seem to work for the limited usefulness it had. Honestly, I'd rather this dumb thing just get trashed and we get something completely new. A statue would be more interesting. Honestly, a reraise item that doesn't run out of charges would be a good fit for this, IMO.

    I know, I know, why bother? Because I spent $30 total on this crap when it came out. Now we're at a point where this money I spent is literally providing me nothing except another topic to rant about. How about a RoE with a 10% CP boost? Now that would definitely interest people in doing them.

    What about a reward for completing all of them? Maybe a choice of rings: a melee ring, a tank ring, a mage ring, a pet ring, maybe even a crafting ring?

    Honestly, anything would be an improvement. The new incentive doesn't need to be anything listed. I don't expect them to take my suggestions, I only hope they read this and acknowledge the problem. The very least they could do is make Nexus Cape useful by allowing you teleport to more areas.
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    Player Kensagaku's Avatar
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    The thing is, back then? The gear was good. We had some pieces that defined a lot of jobs, and at that time, some of them were considered phenomenal. You could say that your money was "wasted," but if you got it when it came out, then you got the gear when it was good, and you made use of it. Your money's worth was given to you back when that stuff was relevant, when it was useful. Calling it useless now? Sure. That's like saying running around in Walahra Turban and Dusk gear is good in content now. Gear moves on and grows past what it used to be. You can look at other expansions too; the only earring worth anything from RoTZ's AAs is Suppanomimi. When's the last time you used your ToAU reward? Yes, you get a 10% CP bonus from finishing major content, but you spent the money back then to do current content whose gear at the time was good. Your money's value was rewarded when you spent it.

    Nothing lasts forever; even Rajas Ring, which is one of the best examples of an old item (level 30!) maintaining its way to this use, is starting to get phased out in a lot of sets, to be replaced with better STP rings, or things like Epona's/Hetairoi, etc.
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    [Kensagaku - formerly of Kujata] - http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Valefor/Kensagaku

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    The head and legs for bst are some of the best gear available even today...

    Where is the complaining about the money you spent(which was 30 dollars each) on RoZ or CoP or ToAU or WoTG gear being useless now?
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    Last edited by Helldemon; 06-09-2016 at 12:10 PM.

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    Player cengeal's Avatar
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    The five expansions all have a RoE bonus. With those rewards the content has at least progressed through the years, unlike the Add-ons. And you're right, the rewards from other expansions have lost their glory, but can still be a tad useful. Nothing is as it was back then. Doing the expansions is still worth it for a few different reasons, the RoE CP bonus probably being the biggest one.

    At the moment, this is content that offers absolutely nothing to a vast majority of players. And I can't say that about any other content that cost money to experience. RoZ grants sky access, and by extension, VW. It also grants access to various High Tier Battlefields, and the same going for CoP and ToAU. From doing CoP you get access to sea, the chance to get other earrings that are useful (ethereal in particular), and maybe most importantly: access to WS gorgets. The earrings from WoTG have held up reasonably well. And SoA offers too much to list.

    Now, I know these Add-ons, are just that, Add-ons. They are not full expansions. But all three Abyssea Add-ons are still relevant, all though not as significant as it once was. You don't even need to do any of the storyline for abyssea to make the content be useful. At some point, you'll wind up in abyssea. Whether you're just trying to get a twilight torque, Epona's Ring, Getting reforged empyrean armor, or going all out and making an Empyrean weapon. I have never once regretted purchasing these Add-ons. I can't say the same about the other three.

    I know I probably sounded a tad hysterical, but that's because I'm angry. Not really about the $30, I got over that a long time ago. Not about the broken Nexus Cape, the one item that could actually make those purchases worth it. If it was just simply a better item, I wouldn't be here ranting. Okay maybe I would, who really knows the answer to hypothetical questions? But the worst part? The development team doesn't care that these three add-ons offer nothing worth while.
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    Player Kensagaku's Avatar
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    A tad hysterical? You're ranting over add-ons whose purpose was not to extend far into the unknown future. They were short mini-scenarios for single gear pieces. These were released seven years ago. Their gear was relevant at the time. Hell, they're lucky some of the gear is relevant now; Anwig Salade is fantastic for BST and PUP pet DT sets, Selenian Cap is a similar vein of good for GEO if you don't need to be in the frontline (Pet: DT and Pet: Regen), the ASA legs give 8% Movespeed for anyone who doesn't have the few pieces of movespeed gear in the game, along with potent bonuses like Waltz TP Cost -50 (500 -> 450 has saved me a few times with Curing Waltz III, or 150 TP Healing Waltz instead of 200), Ready bonuses for BST, Elemental Siphon for SMN, or a Phantom Roll recast for COR. Mirke Wardecors offers Call Beast down for BST, as well as Quick Draw delay for COR, letting a good COR build TP faster when you're not QDing for damage, or giving a faster cooldown for elemental enhancement with their AF3 feet.

    I have no regrets purchasing these expansions. I enjoyed the short stories, and some of the gear is still useful today, especially since I play BST and PUP, so I enjoy the Anwig Salade and Tatsumaki Sitagoromo. I've gotten some decent pet aug'd gear from the keys too, such as my Acc+6/Pet: Acc+4 ring, a hybrid combination you won't see offered on any other ring. Until this recent break of the Nexus cape (frustration over which I could understand, as it's quite clearly broken rather than just not "working as intended"), I enjoyed the ability to quick-travel to places such as Altepa when I didn't have the Titan Home Point, getting me there faster. Just because content hasn't held up to current standards, seven years later doesn't mean it wasn't worthwhile or that it was pointless.
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    [Kensagaku - formerly of Kujata] - http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Valefor/Kensagaku

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    Player Seiowan's Avatar
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    If you think the sum value of an add-on is what new gear it can bring to the table, then I think you're missing the whole point. It's like watching porn for the plot.

    The story is what tied everything together neatly for me. It takes you through a variety of locations, some of which you might not normally visit these days, through some interesting battles. Some things are about the journey, not the destination. The ultimate reward for Treasures of Aht Urghan was a novelty crown and an Assault ring, yet I still thoroughly enjoyed playing through the missions and taking down Alexander.

    I wonder what you might think of FFXIV, where all gear except the newest is considered utterly irrelevant and old content is completely glossed over.
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    Wouldn't hurt to have the final gear rewards upgradable to i119, if nothing else. Always gets me a bit twitchy to have to use lower level gear in switch-ins these days, with as huge a chunk of stats you and your trusts will lose for a few seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limecat View Post
    Wouldn't hurt to have the final gear rewards upgradable to i119, if nothing else. Always gets me a bit twitchy to have to use lower level gear in switch-ins these days, with as huge a chunk of stats you and your trusts will lose for a few seconds.
    Yes, please.... This should be a Standard Service.... just as relics are getting uptades, other hard to get Equipment should also get uptades... i mean why should i do the Long quest line just to get a useless lv 75 Body? you say for the lore and the CS's, well, sry but not These are Long quest series and not all of them are so funny... and i dont have Motivation to do something that isnt fun for nothing ):
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    Player AoiX's Avatar
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    I already mentioned in another post that all expansions, add-ons and in general missions should get a "Master Quest" treatment. Not just a high tier battle to teleport you through a HP to the relevant fight, which doesn't include a ton of forgotten content. And in return get gear relevant to master jobs and maybe even add heroic gear (gear that used to be for example by Lion, Aldo, Prishe, Lilisette, etc etc etc)
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    Player Teraniku's Avatar
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    Godzilla sized Shantotto's Fighting each other, worth the price of Admission...
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