Dark Knight and the Dev Team

[Kagato]

Using stun recast timer as an excuse not to /sam because you are on stun duty is retarded. Its called don't use Seigan/Hasso Problem solved.

/MNK will beat /NIN if you are put into a situation where you are suddenly tanking as well.

You crack me up.

[Nariont]

You crack me up.

What exactly is funny or incorrect about that statement, just out of curiosity?

[Gradd]

Nothing at all.

I like you Kagato you have good intentions, but saying shit like "/sam is bad because it hurts your recast timers!" is just plain stupid. Don't use Hasso or Seigan when your on Stun Duty is that really so hard?

@ Rezeak

Your DD must have been pretty shitty overral if they were losing to you drk/thf or you are just exaggerating.

It is physically impossible for DRK/THF to even hold a candle to DRK/SAM in a high fast pace merit party/Einherjar type situation. DRK/THF is spike Damage nothing more nothing less, the over all Damage from /sam utterly shits all over /thf with very little effort.

[vedder]

w/e works hell i lvld my /thf sub cus there are times i believe that it actually might be more useful for some fights an situations then /sam, not sure if it fully out performs /sam but when my ls says we want ppl /thf for hate issues i give it to them like fighting lord ruth for strigoi rings is a recent example, we use plds in our shell because some of our crew are pld main and we're not leet asses saying hey you should <insert min/maxing here> cause why? better to have fun as a crew then force ppl into jobs that they dont enjoy on content that is easy

its not the CoP of old where i leveled rng to 30 an war to 50 just to beat it lol

sidenote @ kagato if u had issues with the hippos do u have npc healer leveled up an /pld? i used that an at 78 full perle (lolz) an i wrecked the hippos, just watch out for the NM thar, it likes to say "hai im hungry" quite a bit >_>

[Harukusan]

honestly every drk should just sub bst so you can charm people and pretend you're controlling their minds. it's drk exclusive

[Zeroth]

Whether you're on "stun duty" or not, it's still a pain in the ass trying to cancel seigan/hasso everytime you need to cast.They need to remove this penalty, drk is the only job this was intended to affect.

The only situation where drk/thf is viable is if you are putting hate on the tank, it's definitely not for dmg output.

[Kagato]

Whether you're on "stun duty" or not, it's still a pain in the ass trying to cancel seigan/hasso everytime you need to cast.They need to remove this penalty, drk is the only job this was intended to affect.

This is pretty much what I was getting at.

Saying "not subbing /sam is stuppid and you can cancel hasso/seigan" is a correct statement, but what makes it bad is that unless you plan on DDing, there's no reason to go /sam at all because you're not going to use hasso/seigan! At least with /NIN you can avoid a spell aimed at you or AoE spams. When fighting Kur, for example, his Body Slam would eat 3 of my shadows but I take no damage. If I went /sam, I'd have taken over 1k in damage, Seigan+third eye or not.

My point is, I want to have my defensive capabilities open and available at all times in my subjob when I'm not focused on DDing.

So, thats why I said "you crack me up." You were taking a jab at me for giving an opinion on a situational event rather than being respectful toward it but kindly offering your own counter-opinion. In other words, it was your choice of words if anything.

[RaenRyong]

/sam without using Hasso or Seigan or Meditate is still better than /thf.

[Kagato]

/sam without using Hasso or Seigan or Meditate is still better than /thf.

Not really the point.

[Gradd]

If you arent DD'ing then why are you on DRK? I'd argue come a more useful job if your only there for stun duty :/