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    A new trait or adjustment to facilitate THF's hate manipulation

    THF can sort of manipulate a party's hate but there are few gaps.

    THF can steal hate from a party member and then Trick Attack on a party member to transfer enmity from that single attack onto them. The problem is, the enmity transfered during Trick Attack is only the sum enmity for the damage dealt from the attack or weapon skill +/- the Enmity modifier from gear/merits. What would be more interesting is if THF gained a trait called Subterfuge or something which transfers a % of the THF's enmity along with the damage dealt by Trick Attack.

    The logic is this: If a THF steals 25% of a WHM's enmity using Accomplice, and then uses a Trick Attack+Rudra Storm, the only enmity transferred is the enmity produced by the Trick Attack+WS, the enmity stolen from the WHM still remains on the THF. If the THF could transfer 10% of their entire enmity along with the enmity of the damage dealt from Trick Attack, THF could effectively liquidate and manipulate hate between mages and transfer it to the tank. This could be done with a trait that augments Trick Attack; maybe capping out at 25%. For example, with this trait at 25%, when a THF uses Trick Attack+WS, the enmity from the damage is transferred but in addition, 25% of the THF's hate is transferred as well. In this way, a THF can continuously steal hate off mages or damage dealers and redirect it onto the tank. This is a crucial aspect of THF's 'hate manipulation' that's mysteriously omitted and it would be the missing piece of the puzzle to solidify their role as a job specializing in hate-control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophannus View Post
    THF can sort of manipulate a party's hate but there are few gaps.

    THF can steal hate from a party member and then Trick Attack on a party member to transfer enmity from that single attack onto them. The problem is, the enmity transfered during Trick Attack is only the sum enmity for the damage dealt from the attack or weapon skill +/- the Enmity modifier from gear/merits. What would be more interesting is if THF gained a trait called Subterfuge or something which transfers a % of the THF's enmity along with the damage dealt by Trick Attack.

    The logic is this: If a THF steals 25% of a WHM's enmity using Accomplice, and then uses a Trick Attack+Rudra Storm, the only enmity transferred is the enmity produced by the Trick Attack+WS, the enmity stolen from the WHM still remains on the THF. If the THF could transfer 10% of their entire enmity along with the enmity of the damage dealt from Trick Attack, THF could effectively liquidate and manipulate hate between mages and transfer it to the tank. This could be done with a trait that augments Trick Attack; maybe capping out at 25%. For example, with this trait at 25%, when a THF uses Trick Attack+WS, the enmity from the damage is transferred but in addition, 25% of the THF's hate is transferred as well. In this way, a THF can continuously steal hate off mages or damage dealers and redirect it onto the tank. This is a crucial aspect of THF's 'hate manipulation' that's mysteriously omitted and it would be the missing piece of the puzzle to solidify their role as a job specializing in hate-control.
    mages don't end up on top of the hate list very often and DDs would cap hate again in a few seconds. None of that will make much difference unless they raise the emnity cap.
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