Alex Supply and Salvage Cheating- Accounts Not Banned?

[Aeron]

I choose to believe that Square-Enix is still investigating this incident and planning an appropriate punishment for those players who took advantage of this exploit.

The alternative is that Square-Enix is choosing to let players who cheated keep multiple mythics and hundreds of millions or even billions of gil. This option seems unlikely considering that it sets a precedent for future cheating, and would cost them all credibility when it came to claiming to keep Final Fantasy XI clean and "fair" for all players.

I think your hearts in the right place, but you're being kind of naïve. SE is a business and they probably looked at the numbers on this one. The direction that they are taking is more an insight current game status and the need to keep as many players as possible. Now if you were to cancel your sub and make a list of like minded ppl, and if that list out numbered the amount of ppl that they would have to rollback( that they could potentially lose) or flat out ban then yeah I could see SE responding in turn. Really this is all about how far are you willing to go on the matter because right now its a lot of talk and that's not going to get any reaction out of SE. At the end of the day the only thing they listen to is money.

[Camiie]

I feel I would lose a lot of self-respect and honour if I started cheating. That's a good enough reason for me.

Actually it seems just the opposite. People who lie, cheat, steal and engage in general douchebaggery seem to be lauded as the best and brightest of our community. When the original Salvage bans got handed down you'd have thought Pope John Paul II, Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and Abraham Lincoln had all been resurrected only to be brutally murdered before our eyes. It was pretty damn messed up.

[Hoshi]

Actually it seems just the opposite. People who lie, cheat, steal and engage in general douchebaggery seem to be lauded as the best and brightest of our community. When the original Salvage bans got handed down you'd have thought Pope John Paul II, Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and Abraham Lincoln had all been resurrected only to be brutally murdered before our eyes. It was pretty damn messed up.

The thing about the original salvage bans though was that it didn't require any form of third party program - it abused a game mechanic. To this day I find it shocking that so many people were permabanned over doing something that was possible to do within the realm of the game without so much as a warning first.

[Stompa]

Actually it seems just the opposite. People who lie, cheat, steal and engage in general douchebaggery seem to be lauded as the best and brightest of our community. When the original Salvage bans got handed down you'd have thought Pope John Paul II, Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and Abraham Lincoln had all been resurrected only to be brutally murdered before our eyes. It was pretty damn messed up.

That just depends on if you count "being lauded" by others as more important than your own personal sense of self-respect and feelings of self-worth. For me, playing any game at all is about being challenged, the game designer creates a challenge system, with rules, and you accept the challenge to play the system by those rules.

To me I would feel super-weak if I accepted a game challenge and then cheated.

In a sense it is like playing two different games, the one that was intended and the one you are playing with your hacks / cheats / casino-gadgets / steroids etc. depending on the game or sport you have chosen to cheat in. All games are designed with level playing fields, the challenge is uniform to all players. When you cheat you are no longer playing the same game as normal players, you are playing a corrupted version of the game that was not intended by the creators of the game.

[Gobbo]

Well, whoever wanted him banned seemed to have gotten their wish:

http://guildwork.com/broadcasts/540e...2aa841f344918d

Good night, sweet prince...

[dasva]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheating?s=t

"to violate rules or regulations:"

The rule being no use of 3rd party programs. By using Windower you are violating that rule, therefore cheating. Doesn't matter what the extent is that you use it.

Way to use a dictionary that agrees with you... and then use the 5th definition and completely ignore the context of the example. You put a lot of effort into that

Most defintions have the caveat of to gain an advantage or to take something/prevent someone from something that is there's/they deserve. Because if there is no real difference between doing it and not you have to ask yourself wtf is the point of the rule

Also should note that technically User Agreement doesn't have a flat out don't use any 3rd party programs rule.

It says things like "You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software." and "You may not create or use any cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay." Which could be interpreted to mean something like the creation of windower is obviously against the rules but the use of a vanilla version is seems like a kinda gray area under the letter of the ffxi user agreement.

Also there are rules you probably don't know about like I bet you several people here have violated the "SEI shall be entitled to terminate the user account of any User who is determined or believed to be under the age of 13, or who is determined or believed to be permitting children under the age of 13 to access and use the PlayOnline Service" rule

[Pixela]

Well, whoever wanted him banned seemed to have gotten their wish:

http://guildwork.com/broadcasts/540e...2aa841f344918d

Good night, sweet prince...

I doubt he was, anyone can google search that and get a picture. In his position I would of server swapped and name changed, or maybe he just had nothing left to do and quit...and put that up for whatever reason.

However if he was actually banned then he is the architect of his own demise, I hope he'll enjoy the way SE ban people. They don't just ban you from one game, they ban you from all games they run.

If it's any consolation, there's probably quite a few that will be quitting the game next week when Destiny comes out.

Destiny is just another overhyped game, same as every other game some xi players say they are leaving xi for over the many years. Most of the people saying they are leaving for Destiny will be back within the month.

Destiny is just halo with some Borderlands 2 mixed in it, nothing to keep you invested long-term at all.

[Camiie]

Well, whoever wanted him banned seemed to have gotten their wish:

http://guildwork.com/broadcasts/540e...2aa841f344918d

Good night, sweet prince...

I understand that if you're his friend you're sad and disappointed he got himself banned. I'm not sure why the rest of us should care though.

[Byrth]

They don't just ban you from one game, they ban you from all games they run.

Though this is technically the letter of the law, I know plenty of people that were banned for the first wave of Salvage duping and now play FFXIV. They effectively don't enforce this because it is difficult to enforce.

[Pixela]

Though this is technically the letter of the law, I know plenty of people that were banned for the first wave of Salvage duping and now play FFXIV. They effectively don't enforce this because it is difficult to enforce.

From what I understand it only comes into force if you bring attention to yourself in some way. If you get a GMs attention, someone reports you for being banned previously on XI or contact customer support, keep in mind that customer support and the GMs work on both games.

They specifically tell you they don't want you on any game they run after a ban so they can ban you without notice anytime they want on FFXIV following an XI ban. I knew someone years ago that made a new account on XI after a ban for PK and they had their new account banned over 6 months after making it for trying to circumvent that ban.