Job Points should not be JOB FIXES

[Olor]

I see that the devs again indicated that instead of outright fixing something that isn't working for a job they plan to address it with job points. That is not acceptable.

I am just exasperated. Job points should be a bonus, not a job fix. If the devs think people are going to subscribe to solo grind points for months they are wrong.

Please just fix things without tying it to the obscene grind that is job points.

This is what set me off today - but it's a trend:

We understand that pet accuracy is still lacking when participating in content (not only for automatons), but we are prioritizing overall boosts to pets at the moment, and we are looking into making adjustments to this with the new job point elements that are scheduled for some time after the November version update.

NO. Just NO. If you recognize that pet accuracy is so terrible it makes pet jobs unusable in current content - FIX IT. Don't expect us to grind 6 months of job points on a job no one will invite regardless.

[Demonjustin]

If JPs could be gotten more quickly, the BST JPs might actually make BST a bit more playable since it has some great ones. At the current rate though yeah it's stupid to expect it to mean much, and to expect it as a fix for a job entirely? That's simply insulting...

[Olor]

If JPs could be gotten more quickly, the BST JPs might actually make BST a bit more playable since it has some great ones. At the current rate though yeah it's stupid to expect it to mean much, and to expect it as a fix for a job entirely? That's simply insulting...

Thanks for the support and to all those who liked as well. BST does have great ones, but if the rate of gain is balanced against getting them in content, and a job is not welcome in content - it just puts pet jobs in another bind. Besides - while some jobs are getting fixes (like if they "fix" pet accuracy through job points) other jobs are getting massive boosts (Sam Hasso Strength bonus) - once again - the job that needs help will continue to fall behind.

[Sapphires]

Job points aren't job fixes and they aren't required by people when forming parties.
There exists no game content which requires you to have them to win.
Pet only groups are clearing VD battlefields already, please stop complaining the job is weak when it isnt.

[Olor]

Pet only groups are clearing VD battlefields already, please stop complaining the job is weak when it isnt.

Get back to me when people start shouting for BST to fill DD slot on Delve. Or won't laugh in your face if you suggest it as DD. You're wrong, thanks for playing. Being able to do a couple battlefields does not mean the jobs don't need help. The devs have admitted pets have serious accuracy problems and keeping up pets cuts our DD potential. Even the hardcore playerbase admits pets jobs are weak. Example: Afania suggested a PUP can do about 65% of the DD of a SAM in Delve. Sorry, that's not acceptable, and yes, it is broken in a bad way.

[Arbalest]

Get back to me when people start shouting for BST to fill DD slot on Delve. Or won't laugh in your face if you suggest it as DD. You're wrong, thanks for playing. Being able to do a couple battlefields does not mean the jobs don't need help. The devs have admitted pets have serious accuracy problems and keeping up pets cuts our DD potential. Even the hardcore playerbase admits pets jobs are weak. Example: Afania suggested a PUP can do about 65% of the DD of a SAM in Delve. Sorry, that's not acceptable, and yes, it is broken in a bad way.

I doubt PUP could pull 650 DPS.

[Malthar]

Job points aren't job fixes and they aren't required by people when forming parties.
There exists no game content which requires you to have them to win.
Pet only groups are clearing VD battlefields already, please stop complaining the job is weak when it isnt.

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? How many times do you suppose they tried clearing a VD battlefield, and how long did it take? And better yet, what the acc of master and pet?

[Donquichot]

Clearing VD battlefields on ilvl 125 content is NOT possible at this point on all pet jobs. With Minions on Shiva we have gotten the furthest on D battlefields only. And this isnt guaranteed. It requires luck at times since pet hate is still broken up to the point to a simple Summoner summoning getting hate if it summons closer than 25 distance a few times. Stuff like that has been broken for 2 years now.

The setup we use isnt available to everyone using pet jobs. Its just abusing the fact that canibal blade is 100% hitrate. Keep in mind we did this with 5 pets and 1 cor. All pets jobs geared towards pet:acc and survival. We have made this setup somewhat safer by mixing using a pld,geo,pupx3 and cor. This only works due to the broken eva down luopon casted by the geo. Geo became a really solid job after the patch. But bringing a Geo should NOT be the fix to our accurracy problems.

All pet jobs setups still lack 2 things making it a 50/50 win in Difficult and impossible in Very Difficult.
1) Accuracy which is getting closer to acceptable but were still lacking about 100 accuracy.
2) Pet damage taken. With the limited amount of healing available the pets die way too fast. Sure we can bring 40+ dawn mulsum to every event, but this is at 10k/mulsum a cost of 400k per fight. BST still has the nich of high hp pets but on puppetmaster i can only get 2300-2800 hp on valoredge. This while it takes 100-1200 ws damage from Ilvl 122+ Notorious monsters. Either up the puppets hp or give us more options to heal the pet. This includes healing debuffs. And if you do give us a cheaper option. 10k per Dawn mulsum isnt an option for alot of players.

[Balloon]

It's never been about being able to do something over not do it. Because it's not exactly some big binary thing. Yeah you can go and win, I've heard of it happening, but there's an element of risk aversion that you want to consider when doing stuff like that.
RNG is popular because it ticks most of those boxes, out of AoE, Lower enmity, some form of TH, does decent damage.

The VD puppetmaster way, the one that I have heard, involves dumping your enmity onto a pet. It's.. an odd one. Being able to do decent damage on even Normal/Difficult as a pet job is hard with a pet because of the obstacles it has to overcome. So yes, it can do it, but it's never really going to be anything more than a proof of concept. The skill, gear, the ability to not let your pet get hit to ADD... It's more than a PUG could ever handle, and it's tedious for others to set up.

As for doing it with pets, yeah, if you want to melee too that isn't happening. Your pet'll die too fast and there's very little outside of spamming muslums that you can do about that. Your pet has a base of 770 Accuracy, 3 thunder maneuvers.. full timing that will overload you, and it's not even a significant amount of accuracy. Pet food is around 18% accuracy, so not enough to fill in the gap. On 128 content you're looking at a 50% or under hit rate for pets. They already attack slower.. It's miniscule damage.

On topic, though, 90 accuracy, which is a liberal estimate of +3 per job point.. will not fix pet jobs. If you are willing to accept there is a problem then the fix should be applied to the base, then augmented with job points. That's what job points are supposed to be - smallish augments that are gained over time when playing a job. There are a lot of possible fixes, having player gear augment pet stats somewhat, just buffing pet accuracy and attack, allowing outside buffs to hit. The fix shouldn't be job points. I don't see how the fix can be job points when the average PUP/BST will not be getting excess of 600 job points.

[Camiie]

Job points aren't job fixes and they aren't required by people when forming parties.
There exists no game content which requires you to have them to win.
Pet only groups are clearing VD battlefields already, please stop complaining the job is weak when it isnt.

Hey you know there's this one guy who's a really awesome DNC. He has the absolute best gear possible including a 119 Afterglow Mythic. Heck his offhand weapon is better than most people's main. He can equal or surpass most any normally accepted melee DD in most any situation. Therefore I have come to the conclusion that there's nothing wrong with DNC and any DNC you can find is a fine addition to any party or alliance for any content.