[dev1229] new pets

[Malthar]

So, the only thing that will be done to bst is that it will be getting new run of the mill pets?! What happened to the master becoming a more powerful DD?!

[WoW]

If the beetle has rhinowrecker; you guys should be fine. That move is potent; he will probably be the go to pet.

Lizards and funguar are pretty meh.

Slugs are also pretty meh in this day and age (Debuffs not landing).

Sheeps are great (But they lied about the lucerewe).

Jagils are decent.

My thing is this; if these new pets do not distinguish themselves from their past counterparts; a lvl cap lift is warranted and there will be a $hit storm in September. If the beetle does indeed have rhinowrecker, or the sheep has feeble beat; then it is somewhat understandable (Not entirely though). It appears that the trend of two or three useable pets will continue; unless their debuff accuracy were improved or something.

Imo; there should be craftable sub-species of these new pets if they npc versions are indeed repeats whom are identical to past jugs.

[Malthar]

The beetle will not have rhinowrecker. Are you crazy?! Why would you think they would give us something actually good?

And I swear, the next person I see write "sheeps" (sic) I'm going to scream.

Sorry for blowing up on you. But the devs just pisses me off with their lack of care for bst.

It's not you. It's them. x.x

[Olor]

So, the only thing that will be done to bst is that it will be getting new run of the mill pets?! What happened to the master becoming a more powerful DD?!

yep, pathetic. They could have just uncapped the jugs and we'd have EVERY SINGLE ONE of these pets, and more - AND they wouldn't just get outdated the next time they increase the level cap. Starting to feel like only reason they refusing to unlock level cap is because TH1 from Falcor is "OP"

[WoW]

No harm, no foul, but in actuality, a sheep is a decent pet, are they better than the ones I suggested in this thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...st-and-amorphs or an opo, collared lynx, or scorp? Nope. i am not pissed per-se, because I seen this coming (And cancelled sub earlier this month).

If the beetle does not have rhinowrecker (Which is a real possibility due to it being a normal beetle), you guys got screwed; big time. If pet debuffs were not enhanced, you guys got shafted. These pets appear to be nothing special. They released no info on them other than pics. I mean, you guys know what a beetle and slug looks like......seriously...........

[Selindrile]

FYI, Rhinowrecker isn't THAT good, you get it in monstrosity, without super inflated stats OVER your targets, Rhinowrecker, while not bad, wasn't terribly impressive. Unless these new mobs have their stats tweaked in some insane way, none of this remotely fixes poor Bst.

Also: WTF at insistence that they won't uncap old pets, and then they come out with new versions of old pets after saying "What's fun about Bst is that they unlock NEW pets as they level." if they look the exact same they aren't.... nevermind, I give up here.

[WoW]

^^Hmm, my beetle, whom was not outfitted which buffs, aside from survivability was doing 500-800 on VT mobs at lvl 57-ish. It also causes defense down. In pt situations, debuffs would be placed on monsters anyway (By mages), hence enchanting dd output; not to mention the buff ready moves gained compared to non-jug monsters.

Keep in mind 500-800dmg at lvl57-ish is nothing to sneeze at. Most player ws hover around 500-800 at that lvl (back in the day).

[dasva]

I wouldn't start with the assumption that debuffs wont land. After they boosted macc the old 99 jugs could land on some ilvl content so I'd imagine they could probably land on lvl 119 if they were 119 maybe a bit higher especially with all the macc up/meva down stuff we have now

If you can get them to land beetle, slug and lizard all have useful ones potentially. Slug with the oozes, lizard with infrasonics, beetle with Rhinowrecker and Hi-Freq Field. The dmg from Rhino isn't horrible but it's not great I'd imagine it would probably slightly better than the boars move. If they keep the def down the same it might be interesting... it only lasts 30 sec but it's -50%.

Jagil and funguar are ok war jugs but neither have moves that make them exciting so basically okish dps for family types we don't have ones for. Unless of course they make the magical moves do good dmg than it might be something.

Sheep is another war so should be decent dmg beast type... but it also has sleepga AND rage which is nice

[WoW]

This is the guy i am referring to; http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ga...etle_%28MON%29

Rhinowrecker, pounce, death scissors, viscous claw, hoof volley, and crippling slam are a few of the most powerful moves/consistent moves I have used thus far; (Granted i have not unlocked every mob). Rhinowrecker is somewhat comparable to crippling slam which is deadly, granted the wivre has zerk. I would not call 500-800dmg at lvl 57 not great. The boar's moves hover around 1k+ (May break 2k) on weaker crap with the ready move boost at lvl119. The beetle is dishing out 500-800 rhinowreckers on T-VTs, I would wager it would be much more powerful in jug form with the added ready move buff. Players at lvl 57-ish are putting out similar ws numbers; that is nothing to sneeze at. 500-800 on VT mobs at 57 is pretty norm for dds; 1k was insane (A big deal).

Also; I already mentioned that the lizards would be useful if macc was enhanced (See post #2). However, i would not count on it; monster debuffs are difficult to land with any consistency on anything VT and above, (difficult content). If it misses, those are charges down the drain, 2 to be exact.

[dasva]

This is the guy i am referring to; http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ga...etle_%28MON%29

Rhinowrecker, pounce, death scissors, viscous claw, hoof volley, and crippling slam are a few of the most powerful moves/consistent moves I have used thus far; (Granted i have not unlocked every mob). Rhinowrecker is somewhat comparable to crippling slam which is deadly, granted the wivre has zerk. I would not call 500-800dmg at lvl 57 not great. The boar's moves hover around 1k+ (May break 2k) on weaker crap with the ready move boost at lvl119. The beetle is dishing out 500-800 rhinowreckers on T-VTs, I would wager it would be much more powerful in jug form with the added ready move buff. Players at lvl 57-ish are putting out similar ws numbers; that is nothing to sneeze at. 500-800 on VT mobs at 57 is pretty norm for dds; 1k was insane (A big deal).

Also; I already mentioned that the lizards would be useful if macc was enhanced (See post #2). However, i would not count on it; monster debuffs are difficult to land with any consistency on anything VT and above, (difficult content). If it misses, those are charges down the drain, 2 to be exact.

I know what you were referring too and I've lvld every single mon to 99 and it's not that spectacular for dmg (though part of that is it being a pld/rdm mob) but as you level higher you will see it's dmg not increase as much as I think you think it will. Specifically just went to ull range at 90 and after using it 6 times against eps I did 629-897 which is definitely something to sneeze at if that was a player at even 75

Especially if you are trying to compare inflated stat mons to players. One of the nicer ones in monstrosity (though you should have seen antlions Mandibular Bite before the nerf. I did 700 dmg to a VT at lvl 20. Spriggans move is also pretty tough.) But part of it's strength is cause it has a high tp cost. Generally speaking it was about twice the dmg of rhino attack at almost twice the cost... the real benefit being the def down and conalness (also think it might have been a different dmg type)

I can guarantee macc will be enhanced because as already stated the lizzaad will be 5 levels higher than the current unless you meant current 119 pets which are there any with a straight debuff worth using? Because landing additional effects especially on physical moves isn't quite the same. Will they land on VD content? Probably not without help but your bst probably isn't getting there anyways. And if it does maybe you will have a geo or rdm to help you land it.

What I'm more upset about is that even if these all were high dmg moves with 100% land rates and the debuffs as well at full strength it still wouldn't get us a place in a party most likely (partly because the whole awkwardness that is readying moves seriously 1-3 minute wait on charges AND tp wtf) and it wont really help us DD better. Meanwhile drg, already a good DD, just got a ridiculously huge boost to their DDing for keeping their pets alive and massively helped the issues with their pets readying. If bst got a 10% haste 20% att boost from their pets even if it was something silly like only ones their pets are strong against we might stand a small chance against other DDs