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    Player VoiceMemo's Avatar
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    Linos flute equivalent to 99 Gjallarhorn all songs +4

    SE, what is the point of Gjallarhorn, now that it has been confimred that the Linos flute can get +3 as an augment. Combined with the +1 that it has already is equal to the all songs +4 of Gjallarhorn.

    http://cdn.ffxipro.com/images/ss/mid...444df29ac7.jpg

    This is yet another slap in the face for Gjallarhorn users. Yes there is skill on Gjallarhorn, but this would only help for offensive songs. It is possible to cap song potency without it.

    So I ask again SE. Please do not forget about those veterans who still play the game, who have worked hard for the older items, we would like them upgraded as well. I would be fine with Gjallarhorn being upgraded to All songs +5, or getting a USEFUL Gjallarhorn specific song. IE Massacre Elegy or March 3.
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    Oh get over it, Gjallerhorn will continue upgrading as the level cap rises, Linos will not, they've already said that. I've dropped 5mil in stones into linos and haven't seen a single songs+ augment. Tinhaspa is situationally better than Spharai, Priwen is situationally better than my Ochain but I was happy it came out, you've actually got it "better than most" in that Linos is never actually better than Gjallar, only situationally equal.

    Thank you SE for providing these other options, I still think you're on the right track with them, I personally think REM should be the "top dogs" but by a very slender margin, and I don't mind if these things fluctuate some as items come out, I actually think you hit the nail on the head with Linos's power level versus Gjallar, though I'm annoyed and starting to wonder how much gil it will take to get a Song+4, and if I'd be better off just buying a Gjallar lol, I still hate random augments.
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    They actually said that they weren't going to be upgrading Instruments and Shields.

    I enjoy the extra MAcc on Gjallarhorn and am not too miffed about Linos Flute. I do wish that they would allow skill to affect songs more significantly, though. The highest potency cap we know of is 800 combined skill, which is pretty easy to hit without trying these days. I'd like to see at least one song with uncapped potency.
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    Player VoiceMemo's Avatar
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    Yes SE said that Gjallarhorn and Aegis were not getting ilvls, they said Aegis was around ilvl 150. I don't recall them ever saying what Gjallarhorn's ilvl was. I wouldn't mind if Linos was all songs +2 with +1 base, making it 1 less than Gjallarhorn at 99, but to make it equal isn't right. The primary stat that made Gjallarhorn so powerful was the All Songs +4. The singing and wind skills were bonuses. I don't know any brd that made Gjallarhorn JUST for the +25 singing and wind skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoiceMemo View Post
    Yes SE said that Gjallarhorn and Aegis were not getting ilvls, they said Aegis was around ilvl 150. I don't recall them ever saying what Gjallarhorn's ilvl was. I wouldn't mind if Linos was all songs +2 with +1 base, making it 1 less than Gjallarhorn at 99, but to make it equal isn't right. The primary stat that made Gjallarhorn so powerful was the All Songs +4. The singing and wind skills were bonuses. I don't know any brd that made Gjallarhorn JUST for the +25 singing and wind skills.
    The ilvl 150 comment was in regards to Ochain, not Aegis. It was also specifically about Ochain's block rate, rather than the shield overall. Cause an actual ilvl 150 shield would kick the ever-loving crap out of Ochain.

    Link to said dev post. I'm linking it rather than quoting because the post is quite long.

    Getting a bit more back on the main topic, SE did say that they weren't giving ilvl updates to shields and instruments. It wasn't limited to ghorn and Aegis, all relic/emp shields and instruments were included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martel View Post
    Getting a bit more back on the main topic, SE did say that they weren't giving ilvl updates to shields and instruments. It wasn't limited to ghorn and Aegis, all relic/emp shields and instruments were included.
    I'm more curious if this is still their stance. I guess I could see it being "plop down 100 mil (or whatever?) for Ghorn, or play the lottery with Linos and spend anywhere from *free* to well over the cost of a Ghorn for your +4 songs!"

    Guess time will tell. I'm mildly surprised there hasn't been any reports of 10-20ish% -MDT II, but I suppose having an ilvl shield that even partially stepped on Aegis would be quite the pitfall. Or maybe there just hasn't been enough testing on it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malithar View Post
    I'm more curious if this is still their stance. I guess I could see it being "plop down 100 mil (or whatever?) for Ghorn, or play the lottery with Linos and spend anywhere from *free* to well over the cost of a Ghorn for your +4 songs!"

    Guess time will tell. I'm mildly surprised there hasn't been any reports of 10-20ish% -MDT II, but I suppose having an ilvl shield that even partially stepped on Aegis would be quite the pitfall. Or maybe there just hasn't been enough testing on it yet.
    Aegis' physical defenses are terrible vs modern high level mobs. I can go into detail if you want to know just how bad.

    But anyway, getting Aegis' magic defenses come at the cost of trashing your physical defenses. It only takes 37.5 MDT II to hit the hard MDT cap. So a shield with 20% MDT II would only be 17.5% behind Aegis(Aegis just bypasses the need to hit 50% normal MDT first.) An ilvl 119 shield with 20% MDT II would be pretty be pretty competitive with Aegis. You wouldn't be quite as good against magic, but you'd also have very respectable physical defenses. A good balance to hit vs mobs that use both potent magical and physical damage.

    It wouldn't outdate Aegis, but Aegis would definitely take a hit there.

    I'd really rather SE just fork over the ilvl updates for shields already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martel View Post
    Aegis' physical defenses are terrible vs modern high level mobs. I can go into detail if you want to know just how bad.

    But anyway, getting Aegis' magic defenses come at the cost of trashing your physical defenses. It only takes 37.5 MDT II to hit the hard MDT cap. So a shield with 20% MDT II would only be 17.5% behind Aegis(Aegis just bypasses the need to hit 50% normal MDT first.) An ilvl 119 shield with 20% MDT II would be pretty be pretty competitive with Aegis. You wouldn't be quite as good against magic, but you'd also have very respectable physical defenses. A good balance to hit vs mobs that use both potent magical and physical damage.

    It wouldn't outdate Aegis, but Aegis would definitely take a hit there.

    I'd really rather SE just fork over the ilvl updates for shields already.
    Omg this. Thank you for providing a very clear post on the ilvl 150 bullshit Martel. That has cause so much misinformation in the community as far as Ochain is concerned. Every single freaking time I bring up in game that the shield really needs an ilvl adjustment I get, oh well the devs said that its an ilvl 150 shield horseshit. Its like ppl saw ilvl 150 that's all they remember from the damm post. I really wish they would put out a correction.

    Speaking as someone who has a 99 Ochain I think that it needs an ilvl adjust so that ppl would be more willing to take it past 90 for god sakes. The fact that you get 90% of the benefit of the shield and don't even have it fully upgrade is ridiculous.

    I cant wait till someone gets a super augment on that new skirmish shield that completely shits on aegis too because that's the way its looking.
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    We're in an age of everyone wanted to be handed things for the least work. I doubt you will get much sympathy because most of the ignorant people think you *need* a ghorn to play bard. There is not much difference now between 4 song ghorn bard and 3 song new instrument bard, especially since haste2/geohaste is out. So all that gil spent on 4 song and ghorn is pretty much devalued heavily. When everyone is special, nobody is special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draylo View Post
    We're in an age of everyone wanted to be handed things for the least work. I doubt you will get much sympathy because most of the ignorant people think you *need* a ghorn to play bard. There is not much difference now between 4 song ghorn bard and 3 song new instrument bard, especially since haste2/geohaste is out. So all that gil spent on 4 song and ghorn is pretty much devalued heavily. When everyone is special, nobody is special.
    Screw you, I'M SPECIAL.
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