Dated Jug pets

[WoW]

I am aware that petitions and proposals almost never work, especially in the bst forums, but I digress. I mentioned this is another thread, SE loves recycling/re-skinning old familiars, however, it is usually sub-par pets that receive this treatment, rabbits, mandies, and crabs. They have also indicated that they are no plans to lift the jug cap. Basically, I would like to propose the re-skinning/release of several older jugs. Past monsters such as scorps and opo have no chance of being released, hence these are the next best thing imo^^ I mean, what happened to the days when pets had berserk, triple attack, high evasion, and treasure hunter? Those were the good ol days; but anyways, here a few proposed pets. These monstrosity monsters are only used for demonstrative purposes; pay no attention to the non-related jug elements, JAs, magic, etc, just the native special abilities and Job traits that jugs tend to possess. These are basically re-skinned jug species with more damaging/useful abilities.

Gorefang Hobs (Tigers > rabbits from my experience) http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Smilodon_%28MON%29

Nursery Nazuna (Sheep > rabbits) http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Karakul_%28MON%29

Amigo Sabotender: (Cactuar > mandies) http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Sa...rido_%28MON%29

Crude Raphie (We do not have a lizard; what up with dat?) http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Fe...oise_%28MON%29

Swift Sieghard: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ve...ptor_%28MON%29

Bloodclaw Shasra: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Co...Lynx_%28MON%29

Panzer Galahad: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ga...etle_%28MON%29

Lifedrinker Lars: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Arundimite_%28MON%29

Bugeyed Broncha: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Tarichuk_%28MON%29

Dipper Yuly: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Go...ybug_%28MON%29

Faithful Falcorr: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Hippogryph_%28MON%29

What do you guys think? Would you like to mind if older species seen the light of day? This would open up the opportunity to use every monster family. Personally, I would like to see the Gambodge Beetle; rhino wreck is awesome; plus beetles are durable. I am aware that bst has other issues, but a slim selection of pets should not be one of them. Smns get to use any avatar they wish, bst should be able to use any jug they please. SE, please consider this^^

[Leonardus]

I'll keep this simple: The database of BST familiars needs a streamlined, modern vision. Start from the beginning.

One white mandragora. One black tiger. One blue crab. One funguar.

One black mandragora. One smilodon. One blue raptor. One hippogryph.

One lapinion. One tulfaire. One raaz. One chapuli. (Etc.)

Give them all a base level, repurpose Beast Affinity for something else and let everything go up to Lv119, or whatever the BST's mainhand weapon is capable of.

There's no reason to have things as convoluted as they are. For example, there are now two DroopyDortwins and two AttentiveIbukis and two ScissorlegXerins because SE continues the cycle of hard level caps instead of making the system self-sustaining, which would allow them to move on and release new species or new monsters altogether while the people that like what exists can continue to enjoy the older pets.

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So...yeah. I agree, what's up with not having a Lv119 lizard jug yet? I've been trying to convince those stalwart Lavawalker Raptors in Morimar to join my BSTly cause as a loyal familiar, but all I get are hesitant growls and a Chomp Rush to the face. And don't let me get started on the matamatas; They just want to lay around and guard those grimy boulders all day.

[Mefuki]

Basically, fix what's broken instead of adding more of what we already have. BLU knows all about that.

[Falkirk]

I've been trying to convince those stalwart Lavawalker Raptors in Morimar to join my BSTly cause as a loyal familiar, but all I get are hesitant growls and a Chomp Rush to the face. And don't let me get started on the matamatas; They just want to lay around and guard those grimy boulders all day.

lmao XD

And totally agree.

[Shadowsong]

Whoa Whoa Whoa,
Are we just going to let the little statement of "Sheep > Rabbit" slip by without a comment?
There is no jug that even remotely comes close to the 119 rabbit in terms of damage, not the tiger, not the bird, nothing. And im not even talking close, my parses are easily 10-15% more damage form the rabbit to the next best one (Tulfaire)
Of course I'm talking capped pet haste, ect.

Have you people really parsed the SHEEP at even remotely decent numbers?

EDIT: I suppose I need to stay on topic lol
I agree with the streamlining, way too many choices for all either sidegrades or downgrades. Give us 1 of each useful pet, give them ALL that monsters TP moves, stop being stingy SE. Pets are our thing, yet they seem to arbitrarily let us do and not do random things with them. Just let us do our thing, I promise we wont break the game, we aren't even ALLOWED to go to important things regardless of the buffs you would give us...

[Olor]

Whoa Whoa Whoa,
Are we just going to let the little statement of "Sheep > Rabbit" slip by without a comment?
There is no jug that even remotely comes close to the 119 rabbit in terms of damage, not the tiger, not the bird, nothing. And im not even talking close, my parses are easily 10-15% more damage form the rabbit to the next best one (Tulfaire)
Of course I'm talking capped pet haste, ect.

Have you people really parsed the SHEEP at even remotely decent numbers?

EDIT: I suppose I need to stay on topic lol
I agree with the streamlining, way too many choices for all either sidegrades or downgrades. Give us 1 of each useful pet, give them ALL that monsters TP moves, stop being stingy SE. Pets are our thing, yet they seem to arbitrarily let us do and not do random things with them. Just let us do our thing, I promise we wont break the game, we aren't even ALLOWED to go to important things regardless of the buffs you would give us...

We don't have a capped sheep, so of course it will not match lapinion.

[Olor]

I would just like all jug pets to be uncapped. Beast affiinity should let our pets go over the level of our mainhand weapon. If that means they need to change monster gloves or whatever, they should fly at er, I don't care. Allowing our pets to be 124 might actually give them a half decent hit rate and make it so they suck slightly less.

[WoW]

Gorefang > Lucky

Falcorr > Lucky

Sheep has zerk; so yea....sheep > Lucky

Keep in mind that the majority of our jugs are capped. http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/29...-damage-jug/2/. Phunky knows his stuff, the most analytical bst out there imo. Rabbits can heal, hence have slightly more utility than other pets, but bst is a dd first and foremost, not a tank or a healer.

Rabbits are not that great; you may be using him on dated content and marvel at those 2-5k (Rarely) foot kicks. Droopy reigns atm by default; there is no way a rabbit can out dd a sheep, whom hits somewhat fast and has berserk. I just don't see it. Notice ppl were not complaining about ready move damage during the sheep and hippo era......hmmm...Foot kick was doing like 2k in salvage in AR2 last night on qutrub. Rabbits, crabs and mandies are so overrated, notably rabbits. Prolly why SE keeps releasing them. SE, NO MORE RABBITS PLEASE; THERE ARE MUCH BETTER BEAST SPECIES OUT THERE. RABBITS ARE NOT EVEN GREAT IN MONSTROSITY WHERE MONSTERS ARE OVER_POWERED^^

I only wished for recycled jugs because that is all SE does. SE is lazy when it comes to bst; plain and simple. No thought whatsoever goes into these jugs. The majority of the pets released have no business being used in party situations, we only use them because they are all we have. We need to stop fooling ourselves, some monsters are just plain better than others, or else, ppl would use the chapuli over the rabbit for dd purposes. SE, is it so hard to take the best DD pet from each family during new jug releases?

Ask yourself this question, if you could have any jug for dd purposes, what would you choose? I am willing to bet it is not any of the current 119 pets. The rabbit has all of his/her native damaging abilities, while most jugs do not; most likely, he may be still inferior to a 119 hobs. Tigers are just nasty.

SE, please put more thought into our jug pets. Stop removing damaging abilities as well. Aslo, the best dd pets out there, in their non-gimped form are as followed, tigers, Opo, sheep, coeurl, scorpion, dhamel, wivre, ruby raptor, matamatas, ferromantoise, gambodge beetles, Arundimite, spider, mantid, gnat, Sabotender, craklaw, ruszor, pigmy sandworm, and hippo. If the next batch does not include any of these guys, I will table flip this is not complicated lol XD. Bst is a dd, release dd pets. Jobs are doing 20k leaden salutes on weaker crap, doubt any true dd pet could reach 10k on dated crap, but ruinator and a damaging ready move can close the gap between bst and other dd. We need ready moves which are damaging, foot kick and whirl claws are not cutting it; the aforementioned pets > rabbits for dd purposes; even with wild ginger, i mean, the boar can reach insane levels of attack speed, but is really nothing special.

[WoW]

What Olor said basically; that sheep was insane.

I also agree that the sensible thing to do would be uncapping jugs. We all should probably band together and petition for this. SE basically admitted that bst affinity was a flaw by working around it with the new "LOL hq jugs"

Bst affinity could be a bst master/pet skill chain ability that enhances the pet and master's ws/ready move damage by a sizable amount; hence affinity has to do with relationships and whatnot, master/pet banding together to perform a powerful skillchain. Bst affinity could just reduces the recast timer of this JA or something. With a decent recast time, this could be pretty neat/useful imo.

[WoW]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post513076

Guess ill shut up now XD, lol.......

Hopefully those sheep are in their native form, but anyway, those adjustments were way beyond my expectations; bravo^^