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    Any chance to see equipment to replace Ostreger Mitts/Wyvern Mail?

    Since the level cap was increased several years ago, Dragoon was able to upgrade their breath potency gear from level <75 gear. There are two pieces that have yet to be replaced so far and I wondering if there will be equipment released in the future that boast higher Wyvern HP+ bonuses than these? I was hopeful that Reforged Artifact/Reforged Relic Armor would have given +Wyvern HP in the body or hand slot but I was disappointed.

    At any rate, Dragoons are still using these two pieces:



    ...which when compared to recently introduced pieces such as these, is really sad




    Maybe reforged Empyrean armor could give +HP in body/slot, or new delve/fracture drops or plasm equipment for the new delve next patch could see this realized? I just want to toss gear from <75 already.
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    Last edited by Ophannus; 02-23-2014 at 11:58 PM.

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    I wouldn't even bother with them at this point. Shouldn't the HP from the other gear make your breath good enough to basically cap your HP at this point anyways? : /

    Don't get me wrong, I agree, this is stupid, but I'm just saying...
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    Isn't the Reforged relic actually a downgrade from the +2 feet once you factor in wyvern leveling and everything? Or is it just a very slight upgrade?
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    10% Wyvern HP is accounting BEFORE the +HP from other gear. So 10% from +2 relic feet was giving somewhere along the lines of 165-175 HP so the new feet are definitely an upgrade( I got Ptero feet before Ptero armet and noticed higher breath potency than with wyrm greaves+2 so it's definitely not a downgrade.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophannus View Post
    10% Wyvern HP is accounting BEFORE the +HP from other gear. So 10% from +2 relic feet was giving somewhere along the lines of 165-175 HP so the new feet are definitely an upgrade( I got Ptero feet before Ptero armet and noticed higher breath potency than with wyrm greaves+2 so it's definitely not a downgrade.)
    Unless SE ninja changed this in the years since it was tested, it's the other way around.

    Total Wyvern HP = [[Base HP + Additive HP Gear]*(Wyvern HP% Gear)]

    Source. This post is a summary post. I think the actual test for gear order is somewhere else in the thread.

    So, with this in mind some comparisons.

    Since I don't have the actual Wyvern HP values for Ilvl weps, I'll just have to scale up comparisons till the gear hierarchy flips.

    *Lines with a 1.33 under HP%+ are using Wyrm greaves +2
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    base	HP+	HP%+	Total	gain
    NQ Ptero + Vishap+1				
    1474		1.33	1960	486
    1474	200	1.23	2059	585
    1916		1.33	2548	632
    1916	200	1.23	2602	686
    2000		1.33	2660	660
    2000	200	1.23	2706	706
    2475		1.33	3291	816
    2475	200	1.23	3290	815
    Full HP+ gear, NQ Ptero, and Vishap+1				
    1474	195	1.33	2219	745
    1474	395	1.23	2298	824
    1916	195	1.33	2807	891
    1916	395	1.23	2842	926
    2000	195	1.33	2919	919
    2000	395	1.23	2945	945
    2300	195	1.33	3318	1018
    2300	395	1.23	3314	1014
    HQ Ptero, and Vishap+1				
    1474		1.33	1960	486
    1474	230	1.23	2095	621
    1916		1.33	2548	632
    1916	230	1.23	2639	723
    2000		1.33	2660	660
    2000	230	1.23	2742	742
    2500		1.33	3325	825
    2500	230	1.23	3357	857
    2600		1.33	3458	858
    2600	230	1.23	3480	880
    2850		1.33	3790	940
    2850	230	1.23	3788	938
    Full HP+ gear, HQ Ptero, and Vishap+1				
    1474	195	1.33	2219	745
    1474	425	1.23	2335	861
    1916	195	1.33	2807	891
    1916	425	1.23	2879	963
    2000	195	1.33	2919	919
    2000	425	1.23	2982	982
    2500	195	1.33	3584	1084
    2500	425	1.23	3597	1097
    2600	195	1.33	3717	1117
    2600	425	1.23	3720	1120
    2700	195	1.33	3850	1150
    2700	425	1.23	3843	1143
    As shown, I've done 4 different gear set ups.

    NQ Ptero + Vishap+1
    Under this setup, Wyrm+2 overtake Ptero at 2475 Base wyvern HP. Which I do think actually happens. IIRC, I've spirit linked a wyvern at 5% HP, for 2k, and only took him up to something like 70%~ HP.

    Full HP+ gear(+195), NQ Ptero, and Vishap+1
    This time, Wyrm+2 overtake Ptero at 2300 base wyvern HP.

    HQ Ptero, and Vishap+1
    Wyrm+2 catches up at 2850 HP. I doubt this can happen without HP atma.

    Full HP+ gear, HQ Ptero, and Vishap+1
    Wyrm+2 wins at 2700 HP. Again, I think this is unlikely to occur.

    Basically,for Ptero to be better in most reasonable situations *I think* it needs to be +1. I say I think, because I'm only reasonably certain a wyvern has 2500~ HP with parameter boost5 and a 119 wep. But not absolutely certain.

    New Ilvl HP values need testing. Should put that on my list...
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    A thought occurs that could well invalidate most of the comparisons in my above post. Thing is, I can't recall if this was just an idea I had, or if we actually tested it, but..

    It's possible that parameter bonus HP is added last. Like so.

    Total Wyvern HP = [([Base HP + Additive HP Gear]*(Wyvern HP% Gear))+Parameter Bonus HP]

    If this were the case then Ptero(even NQ) would always be best.

    I also seem to vaguely recall it being thought that parameter bonus didn't give HP+ at first. But the usual WHP test is generally to put on brais, then spirit link. If parameter bonus HP is added last, then you'd only get the normal value from brais, and think no additional HP had been gained.

    We later tested using Tarsal slam and got absolute HP values. Showing definite HP gain from parameter bonus.

    I just can't recall if we tested HP% gear + parameter bonus...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martel View Post
    IIRC, I've spirit linked a wyvern at 5% HP, for 2k, and only took him up to something like 70%~ HP.
    In abyssea using HP+ atmas? Or in the real world?

    I found some info regarding the Wyvern's max HP Here, and it seems that as a base, the wyvern gets around 13.5 HP per level. I allowed 14, then added the 24% bonus for levelling up, and it came to 2066 HP at 119.

    I'm assuming that the facts on the wiki page are correct, of course, and that they haven't been given any boosts since that info was added (20010/11), but I can't remember if they did or not?
    I'm also assuming that the increase continues to scale fairly linearly, though I allowed for a slight increase as at 75 it was ~13.2 HP per level and 90 was ~13.5.
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    The referenced spirit link was during a skirmish III run, iirc.

    Also. Much better and somewhat more recent info can be found here. Although, this predates ilvl, so nothing there accounts for the effects of ilvl weps.
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