The state of Blue Mage post Adoulin

[larrymc]

The gap in damage between blue mage and other DD jobs has become quite large.

My question is two-fold.

1) What is the exact component of the weapon that is responsible for boosting blue physical spell damage?
a) the amount of combat skill+?
or b) the Damage rating?
or c) some combination of the two?

2) Based on Tamaxchi, the increase in physical blue damage is not sufficient to keep blue mage competitive.

The WS damage of SAM, DRK, MNK has more than doubled. At first glance our physical blu spell damage is only getting a boost of 20-30%. WS damage for BLU has not increased significantly due to loss of our very best ws: CDC. Req & Realm are just so-so.

I hope the answer is not that every blu will need a 99 empy just to be competitive, once those updates are released.

Are there any plans to take a 2nd look at blu and make further adjustments?

[FrankReynolds]

The gap in damage between blue mage and other DD jobs has become quite large.

My question is two-fold.

1) What is the exact component of the weapon that is responsible for boosting blue physical spell damage?
a) the amount of combat skill+?
or b) the Damage rating?
or c) some combination of the two?

2) Based on Tamaxchi, the increase in physical blue damage is not sufficient to keep blue mage competitive.

The WS damage of SAM, DRK, MNK has more than doubled. At first glance our physical blu spell damage is only getting a boost of 20-30%. WS damage for BLU has not increased significantly due to loss of our very best ws: CDC. Req & Realm are just so-so.

I hope the answer is not that every blu will need a 99 empy just to be competitive, once those updates are released.

Are there any plans to take a 2nd look at blu and make further adjustments?

It's ,my understanding that you will be able to unlock CDC through WOE weapons and use it with any sword whenever they get around to implementing that, so at least you won't need a 99 Empy...

That is IF they ever implement that.

[larrymc]

Slycer posted this translation of a response to JP question by Matsui .. it answers my question. Its purely the Damage rating. This club, Tamaxchi, has extremely low D (88) compared to others .. so there is still a sliver of hope that SE didn't disappoint.

The Mondaha Cudgel, and Buramenk'ah both have a DMG rating of 130 - here is hoping for a better physical skill boost in the August 6th update when both of these weapons get skill+.

Question from player:
Although it was mentioned in other threads that magic damage and accuracy would rise in proportion to combat skill on the main weapon, I tried it out with Tamaxchi on blue mage (club skill +188), but I did not see the damage effect of blue magic rise as I would have expected. Has the specification not already been implemented? [[Goes on about blue magic]]

Matsui's response:
For physical blue magic, the upper limit of the damage will be adjusted with DMG. For certain spells, they did not reach their damage limit, but do now with the "combat skill +" gear, while there are other spells which will continue to grow.

[Tennotsukai]

Wow. Thanks Larry.

[larrymc]

I've been thinking on Matsui's reply - and he basically said that all blu physical spells will not scale with D - once a spell reaches its internal damage limit - throwing more D at it wont help. So we need to determine which spells are not already capped and will benefit from this boost? I will do some testing later - I have only tried the club with a handful of physical spells that I normally have set - didn't even think about retrying them all until now.

[FrankReynolds]

I've been thinking on Matsui's reply - and he basically said that all blu physical spells will not scale with D - once a spell reaches its internal damage limit - throwing more D at it wont help. So we need to determine which spells are not already capped and will benefit from this boost? I will do some testing later - I have only tried the club with a handful of physical spells that I normally have set - didn't even thing about retrying them all until now.

It would be funny if huge damage boosts to previously crappy spells caused them to surpass the current best spells due to capped / uncapped damage.

[Metaking]

its been a while but dint blu spells use to get a Dcap (from skill) 16 levels above when they were learned, might be a good place to start your test

[larrymc]

I almost hesitate to post these testing results ... because

1) the sample set is so small and
2) the results are so disappointing.

I decided to test against an adoulin mob - I picked Monster Peiste in Morimar Basalt Fields for high levelish fighting conditions.
They check as "very tough".

My stats were str 87+56, dex 93+36, vit 77+5, agi 83+22, int 91+14, mnd 80+59, chr 81, blu skill 455 for all tests.

For the testing of each spell - I did several with Tamaxchi in main hand, Mondaha Cudgel offhand.
Then I would swap clubs & perform more spells.

I have tested a variety of spells - all level ranges - with the assumption that the higher level the spell, the higher the D cap.

All tests were for a given spell were performed against the exact same mob (these mobs have quite a bit of HP).

Quadrastrike - LVL96
Raw data
....Tamachi mainhand - 987,760,879,1007,644
....Tamachi off-hand - 804,784,719,588,541

Average
....Tamachi mainhand - 855.4 (24% increase)
....Tamachi off-hand - 687.2

Death Scissors - LVL34
Raw data
....Tamachi mainhand - 434,378,417,333,316,327,322,415,312,337
....Tamachi off-hand - 295,400,267,383,304,310,328,234,404,327,409

Average
....Tamachi mainhand - 359.1 (7% increase)
....Tamachi off-hand - 332.8


Vanity Dive - LVL82 (data from 2 mobs combined)
Raw data
....Tamachi mainhand - 570,774,770,637,873,762,559,889,885,660,603,809
....Tamachi off-hand - 483,495,498,763,553,563,716,705,688,731,623,689

Average
....Tamachi mainhand - 732.5 (17% increase)
....Tamachi off-hand - 625.5

Whirl of Rage - LVL83
Raw data
....Tamachi mainhand - 681,631,772,498,625,611
....Tamachi off-hand - 412,424,693,679,469,548

Average
....Tamachi mainhand - 636.3 (18% increase)
....Tamachi off-hand - 537.5

Barbed Crescent - LVL99
Raw data
....Tamachi mainhand - 430,382,347,263,383,385,322,335,369,405
....Tamachi off-hand - 335,328,333,337,340,322,328,226,330

Average
....Tamachi mainhand - 362.1 (13% increase)
....Tamachi off-hand - 319.8


Sudden Lunge - LVL95
Raw data
....Tamachi mainhand - 127,87,143,89,124,122,123,114,112,122
....Tamachi off-hand - 110,103,126,124,124,88,86,123,114,104

Average
....Tamachi mainhand - 116.3 (5% increase)
....Tamachi off-hand - 110.2


Each sample set was small - but taken in aggregate - we are not getting enough of a damage boost to be competitive.

I really hope that this is a bug in implementation, and not what SE intended...

[FrankReynolds]

Each sample set was small - but taken in aggregate - we are not getting enough of a damage boost to be competitive.

I really hope that this is a bug in implementation, and not what SE intended...

Hey, the good news is all that amazing melee damage you will pump out with those clubs.

[Tennotsukai]

Hey, the good news is all that amazing melee damage you will pump out with those clubs.

Lol... so funny