(suggestion) giving TP to wyvern

[Hawklaser]

In all the years I have played DRG, there have only been a handful of times I can ever recall my wyvern's breath getting significant resists on its breaths. That was on higher level NM's, mobs that can receive shell, and when the wyvern chooses the wrong breath for the mob. And as to the wyvern choosing the wrong breaths frequently, that only really happened often at the lower levels when they would be fairly unlikely to be resisted anyways.

While this is all not hard testing, it did stay pretty consistent through leveling DRG to 75 pre-Abyssea, and again when leveling it again from 1-99 post-Abyssea. After all, there is a reason people are more apt to macro in gear for healing breaths and not the elemental ones.

[Umichi]

because elemental breaths damage comes from current HP not total.

[Hawklaser]

because elemental breaths damage comes from current HP not total.

Yes, but the Drg AF helm also supposedly enhances the wyvern's elemental breath choosing to hit weaknesses more frequently, which would help reduce resist rates. How many people macro it in for post WS breaths or the Smiting Breath job command? I know I never really did because if there is a difference by that point it is extremely small and not very noticeable if at all.

Also the Relic helm also improves elemental breath damage as well, but how often does it get macro'ed in for elemental breaths outside of Smiting Breath? Same could be said for Lancer's Torque as well. Though about any long term DRG player I know, does add those things if they have them for spell triggered healing breaths.

[Martel]

In all the years I have played DRG, there have only been a handful of times I can ever recall my wyvern's breath getting significant resists on its breaths.

Well, how much attention do you really pay to wyvern breath dmg? And I dunno what content you usually do, But on anything high end breaths tend to suck.

As an example. In legion, back when it was relevant content, my wyvern's avg breath dmg was 22.83. That's not eyeballed either, that's from recorded data.

This is the combined data from 6 Hall of Mul runs

    Flame Breath
        41     20     20     17     20     17      0     12     11     20
        20     13     10      5      5      5     20     20     20     15
        11      6     15     12      7     15     62     15     63     15
        20     18     18     75     49     18     13     13     40     14
       118     14     14     13      0      4      4     15     46     21
        42     42     85     21     85     20     20     20     20     17
        21     21     42    167     15     12     31     15     15     15
        15     27     23     22    383     95     13     13     13     13
        13     10     21     42     17     18     20     20     41     19
        19     19     19      0     15     15     14     14     14     20
        20     83     20     19     12     51     36     18     18     18
        16    128     16

    Frost Breath
        21     21     21     19     15     14      7      7      7      7
         6     34      4     17     17     17     17     15     15     15
        11     18     18     18     18      6      6      3     21     20
        21    127     11     15     15     21     21     21     21     21
        20     15     15     26     13     97     12     12      5      6
        24      4     11     11     11     11     15     15     15     15
        21     21     21     18     15      6      6      4      4     15
        38     15     15     15     15     19     10     10     10     10
         7      6      6      6      4      1     20     15     15     20
        14     14     14     14     10

    Lightning Breath
        17     17     18      9     12     17     17     74     37    149
        18     37     13     18     18     18      4     16     16     17
        17     17     17     15     15     18     18     18     18     18
        10     17     36     18     18     18     18     21     17     17
        37     17     17     17

Out of 252 breaths, I appear to have one, un-resisted breath. And It may have been with Deep breathing.

Although, the recent Item level update for pets appears to have greatly increased wyvern Breath acc. It's still far from reliable on major NMs though.

Here's a small sample on Dakuwaqa(Foret delve boss)

Using Ryunohige:

    Sand Breath
        39     24     47     34     77     40    344     42     29     18
        46     46     47     31     36     36

Using Upukirex(ILVL119)

    Sand Breath
       414    414     82    330    330    165    308    154    248    248
       213    213    213    516     57     91     29     29     29     60
        57    489    210    345    219    237     23

It's worth noting that this really isn't a very good test. There's too many extra factors. Like the Upukirex wyvern being so much tougher, and maintaining higher HP. Resulting in higher breath dmg. But it's what I have data on hand for, so.

Still, it does show the effectiveness of ItemLevel on wyverns.

That was on higher level NM's, mobs that can receive shell, and when the wyvern chooses the wrong breath for the mob.

Breaths are, not surprisingly, Breath Damage. Which is NOT affected by shell.

[Hawklaser]

Well, how much attention do you really pay to wyvern breath dmg? And I dunno what content you usually do, But on anything high end breaths tend to suck.

I paid enough attention to them to know approximately how much damage they would add to my weaponskills on a consistent basis. Which was enough to notice when oddities occurred.

Breaths are, not surprisingly, Breath Damage. Which is NOT affected by shell.

For players at the least. Not everything always works the same for monsters, and I do recall getting more varied numbers on monsters that had some way of receiving shell, and usually was the ones that received it from TP moves.

[Martel]

Most major NMs have some amount of Breath DMG reduction. In some cases A lot. It's the same thing that murdered atonement on nearly everything after VNMs(Voidwalker not voidwatch.)

In any case, I have little doubt that MDT works the same for mobs as players, regarding breath dmg. It'd be a simple test to do.
And being so simple, I went ahead and did it.

99DRG/RDM
Breath gear: Wyrm Armet+2, Lancer's torque, Glassblower's belt
No wyvern exp bonus
Upukirex

Mob:Orcish Protector(PLD)
A PLD can self shell, but doesn't have any MDB like most mages do.


That was a shell III. So if MDT worked on breath dmg for mobs, the dmg should have been reduced by 48/256(18.75%.) But it didn't change at all.

Mob or player. Makes no difference. MDT doesn't work on breath dmg.

[Umichi]

forgive my noobness but MDT?oh nvm ahahaha

[Hawklaser]

Most major NMs have some amount of Breath DMG reduction. In some cases A lot. It's the same thing that murdered atonement on nearly everything after VNMs(Voidwalker not voidwatch.)

In any case, I have little doubt that MDT works the same for mobs as players, regarding breath dmg. It'd be a simple test to do.
And being so simple, I went ahead and did it.

99DRG/RDM
Breath gear: Wyrm Armet+2, Lancer's torque, Glassblower's belt
No wyvern exp bonus
Upukirex

Mob:Orcish Protector(PLD)
A PLD can self shell, but doesn't have any MDB like most mages do.


That was a shell III. So if MDT worked on breath dmg for mobs, the dmg should have been reduced by 48/256(18.75%.) But it didn't change at all.

Mob or player. Makes no difference. MDT doesn't work on breath dmg.

My point was that the spell shell when casted by a mob should work the same as a players shell, but what about "Shell" gained from various TP moves. Just because they report it as the mob gaining shell does not mean it is treated exactly the same as shell, and possibly not even the same for each varied TP move that grants shell.

[Kaiichi]

To Umichi,
Having read this thread to its completion up to this point, I just would like to point out to you that your idea has in fact been intimidated in game already, just not in the form you have described. The basis of which is Deep Breathing. This Ability alone makes for a higher damaging breath, but if it was just accuracy you where focusing on, there is always Strife. This being said, I wish you luck in all you adventures.

[Babekeke]

To Umichi,
Having read this thread to its completion up to this point, I just would like to point out to you that your idea has in fact been intimidated in game already, just not in the form you have described. The basis of which is Deep Breathing. This Ability alone makes for a higher damaging breath, but if it was just accuracy you where focusing on, there is always Strife. This being said, I wish you luck in all you adventures.

I think you mean incorporated.