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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    My thread is gone not even a full day and rather than leaving things be, you come in and reply to posts which could lead to an argument once again... My point apparently was not made.
    And this is my point I was waiting to prove. You are too busy responding after all of my posts. As if I'm the only problem. I didn't derail my own thread first.

    You still ignored the fact that I stayed on topic.

    Did I insult anyone? Did I derail the topic before you responded? Did I call anyone names? Read the response again because this is exactly why people are telling you your reaction and example is of a person who has some sort of grudge.

    Why do you feel the need to make points against people?

    Unless you're trying to prove something about a person which defeats the purpose of coming to these forums.

    Which is to leave feedback.

    I came to help others, not go against anyone.

    There is a big difference between attacking someone intentionally and defending after someone.

    I don't start off my responses calling people names insulting them.

    If you are going to tell anyone to stop doing something then tell it to the people who started the argument. Or the ones who are igniting the problem.

    I still don't understand how you don't see this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    The old model only worked when new people were joining. They aren't joining anymore.
    Funny you should mention that- we just had two newbies show up on our linkshell.

    What's hurting things is that because we don't have the old model, new players are isolated, alone, and drop the game. It's kinda scary how many folks I've "salvaged" out of starting areas simply by happening by when they're in the middle of full-on "This is a ghost town, WTF" rants or just randomly chugging along in starting areas.

    I thoroughly blame Abyssea having a level 30 limit for this. The "go to Gusgen and then leech" philosophy caused a critical disconnect at the bottom. It honestly should be a 71+ level area -even GoV/FoV is more social than many Abyssea experiences, and social time is what bound FFXI together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    Your life must be awful. I'm so sorry.
    I have some nightmare fuel memories from exp PT's, but that doesn't obliviate the good ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rustic View Post
    Funny you should mention that- we just had two newbies show up on our linkshell.

    What's hurting things is that because we don't have the old model, new players are isolated, alone, and drop the game. It's kinda scary how many folks I've "salvaged" out of starting areas simply by happening by when they're in the middle of full-on "This is a ghost town, WTF" rants or just randomly chugging along in starting areas.

    I thoroughly blame Abyssea having a level 30 limit for this. The "go to Gusgen and then leech" philosophy caused a critical disconnect at the bottom. It honestly should be a 71+ level area -even GoV/FoV is more social than many Abyssea experiences, and social time is what bound FFXI together.
    Two people doesn't mean the game is making a comeback.

    That said, how would spending the next six months leveling one job make them more interested in the game than leveling quickly and then doing quests, missions, events etc. with the other members of your shell? Would everyone go back and level with them? Why not do that now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    Two people doesn't mean the game is making a comeback.

    That said, how would spending the next six months leveling one job make them more interested in the game than leveling quickly and then doing quests, missions, events etc. with the other members of your shell? Would everyone go back and level with them? Why not do that now?
    Note: I said Abyssea.

    GoV/FoV does just fine for leveling jobs faster than the old days, but it isn't simply watching someone who can't contribute otherwise running around popping boxes. It encourages people to actually do something- attack mobs, heal, debuff, etc.

    There's no reason to go back to oldschool exp PTs, but Abyssea was overkill in the other direction, a sop for devs who thought they were giving us a farewell present.
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    TLR version of this entire thread and its glorious majesty:

    Shit's broke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anjou View Post
    TLR version of this entire thread and its glorious majesty:

    Shit's broke.
    Yeah thats because limits are being stretched beyond the boundaries which causes the game to be in its current state.

    You can only eat so much and expect so much from the chef serving you your dinner.
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    jeez, how broken does your brain have to be to blame a change that's been with us for more than 3 years for a dive in population that is only happening right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by scaevola View Post
    jeez, how broken does your brain have to be to blame a change that's been with us for more than 3 years for a dive in population that is only happening right now
    Cause it hasn't been "right now". It's been happening for years, but FFXIV + Adoulin just pushed that into the spotlight.

    And we had the mass server merges in 2010-2011, if you don't remember your history. But something that chokes off your flow of newbies doesn't kill server population immediately, it bleeds it away as attrition gets people logged off the game for good. Without those new players, anything that jolts the population downwards has a magnified effect simply because there's nobody to -replace- those departing players. And with FFXIV, that is definitely a jolt. We almost had it happen with 1.0, but the colossal failure of the original FFXIV ended up meaning most of those players came back.

    It's like killing a tree from the roots up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scaevola View Post
    jeez, how broken does your brain have to be to blame a change that's been with us for more than 3 years for a dive in population that is only happening right now
    You do know that every adjustment is according to the majority of the playerbase? Which right now happens to be 99- ilvl 120? Which means everything adjusted for that level range will have effects across the entire game.

    Adjusting old content is like playing Jenga. It can alter and break the storyline.

    The only way to continue progressing is to add more on top but then the tower can only go so high.. Which is limitations according to the game engine used to create the game. How long ago was this game made? 11 years ago? Maybe 12-13 years ago?

    You can't expect an Atari to perform like a PS3.

    We actually are lucky on this MMORPGs. Some games intentionally force rollbacks in order to reset the playerbase back at ground zero and climb the ladder again.

    The way I see it, DEVs are struggling to break past the limited threshold.

    Pay really close attention to the DEVs responses. You can tell they are trying and see they are struggling.

    Matsui is no newbie to game development. I can understand an intern giving excuses of "we need more time trying to come up with an alternative" due to lack of experience.

    Note: lack of experience.

    To Matsui this is routine.

    At his age and status it doesn't make sense to deliberately make excuses unless they are facing real issues. I just don't see anyone who loves their job and do something out of passion and make it their entire career purposely lie in order to slack off.

    Tons of time and money go into Game development but then again imagine his Reputation with the world watching.

    What more can you do in life if you reach retirement, earned a nice living, seen most of world, own everything you wanted? Gamble your fortune at the casino and start over again?

    This game is old. Can't expect everyone to stay interested in 1 video all their life.
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